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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:06 AM
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Kucinich on BBV
"Election integrity cannot be assured without openness and transparency. Using electronic voting machines to conduct elections is dangerous to democracy because there is no way of ensuring their accuracy. It is imperative that there be a required voter-verified paper trial for every election so that any errors and irregularities caused by the voting machines can be discovered.

Unfortunately, there are no such requirements for the so-called "Direct Recording Electronic" machines currently being used in many communities and states. With the computer technology in use, there is a constant risk for a program flaw, or worse, tampering with the software which could change votes and thus change the outcome of elections. Without a "voter verified audit trail", meaning a permanent record of each vote that the voter can check to verify that it represents his or her intent, these changes might never be detected!

As Rep. Rush Holt stated, "We cannot afford nor can we permit another major assault on the integrity of the American electoral process. Imagine its Election Day 2004. You enter your local polling place and go to cast your vote on the brand new "touch screen" voting machine. The screen says your vote has been counted. As you exit the voting booth, however, you begin to wonder. How do I know if the machine actually recorded my vote? The fact is, you don't".

This is why I am strong supporter and co-sponsor of Rep. Holt's bill H.R. 2239, otherwise known as the "Voter Confidence and Increased Accountability Act of 2003". If instated, this bill would:

Require all voting machines to produce a voter-verified paper record for use in manual audits and recounts
Ban the use undisclosed software and wireless communications devices in voting systems
Require all voting systems to meet these requirements in time for the general election in November 2004
Require that electronic voting systems be provided for persons with disabilities by January 1, 2006
Require mandatory surprise recounts in 0.5% of domestic jurisdictions and 0.5% of overseas jurisdiction.
We have already seen the consequences of inaccurate vote keeping in Florida during the 2000 Presidential Elections where over 280,000 ballots were uncounted, leaving the sum of disenfranchised Floridians far greater than the 537-vote margin by which the state was won. Thousands of nationally and internationally-renowned computer scientists consider a voter-verified paper trial to be a critical safeguard for the accuracy, integrity, and security of computer-assisted election. Many of them can also list dozens of plausible ways for computerized voting machines to be compromised.

While there is certainly room for improvement in voting technology, electronic voting machines are not the answer. I believe that election reform is an issue that deserves close attention, but we must also guard against changes that inadvertently create even worse problems. Unless we are using auditable voting equipment, public confidence in our elections will be eroded and the results of any election will remain open to question."


http://kucinich.us/statements.htm#110603


From his website, no copyright issues
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:11 AM
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1. Thank you, Dennis! (n/t)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:42 AM
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:53 AM
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3. Tell ya what
How about offering more than childish insults. Just can't resist the urge to denigrate a decent and honorable man, can ya?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:19 AM
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4. he's a troll
he cannot help himself
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:52 AM
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5. Yes, it's sad.
But since most people can't attack Kucinich for policy weaknesses, they defensively lash out at illusory qualities that are most likely just examples of projection.

I think Kucinich looks terrific, and he has the best, most natural smile of all the candidates. :)
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:00 AM
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6. Yes, it's very sad...we have 9 good candidates...
It's high time more of us openly point it out and recognize it!

The nomination competition is not to try and find the good one in the bunch...it's to try and find the best!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:03 AM
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7. This board seems to be rife with
full-time Kucinich bashers, doesn't it?

And they can't even come up with original insults.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:50 AM
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10. well...... I think Dennis is....
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 12:54 AM by Desertrose
HOT!

He does have a great smile...and lots of Scorpio in his chart...

(OMG - did I just say this out loud?)
:evilgrin:


seriously though, Dennis has been speaking out on the BBV for quite awhile hasn't he? I remember statements from last spring/summer he made about this.

Peace & :loveya:
DR
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 07:24 PM
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8. very well stated
Kucinich states the problem very well, especially the first paragraph which nails the problem:

"Election integrity cannot be assured without openness and transparency. Using electronic voting machines to conduct elections is dangerous to democracy because there is no way of ensuring their accuracy. It is imperative that there be a required voter-verified paper trial for every election so that any errors and irregularities caused by the voting machines can be discovered."

Not suprising coming from the such a well-spoken and thoughtful candidate.
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:33 PM
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9. I hope starts mentioning this publicly.
I think it's interesting that he's waited this long to issue a statement about it. He's been a cosigner for a while.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 09:00 AM
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11. I've heard him mention it pubicly a couple of times;
When he spoke to our peace day house party, and on a radio program. I can't remember which radio program, so I couldn't look for a transcript. It was a while ago. This is the first time it has showed up someplace we could quote him from, though!
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:09 AM
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12. Exactly.
I want this in front of the general public more.

People are mad because candidates don't speak out on important issues.

Well, one does, and where he goes, most follow, as much as they can without 'angering their handlers'. ;)
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:06 AM
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13. Kooch's REALLY important ideas on voting...
....have to do with his endorsement of proportional representation. Until we have the tools to remake our governmental structure, it seems to be that we are just fighting agsinst the tide.

So support Kucincih. He is the only one with a serious grudge against the system, and a real feeling for the common working person, and that is what it is going to take to get real reform.

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