Walt Brown for President:)

[OhioStateProgressive]

i can't bring myself to vote SP-USA this year (i am registered)...but eventually this country is going to have to embrace democratic-socialism...the difference between it and the most liberal democrats is very small

so, I just thought it pertinent enough to post about...and wondered what your thoughts on Democratic-Socialism were?

[durutti]

1. I Disagree w/ Democratic Socialism

I don't believe that socialism can be acheived electorally. Capitalism can't be reformed away.

However, I will give my critical support to any democratic socialist candidate.

[OhioStateProgressive]

3. i agree somewhat

i do believe it can be achieved to the extent of health care, education, and jobs program...the state can ensure these things and still allow business enough room to be viable

the main reason i am voting for Kucinich is because he brings these traditional ideas of equality to his platform

[JanMichael]

2. I'm a Socialist that'll be voting Dem "Big Time".

Actually I'm a SP-USA member too that just can't handle another Bush term.

That said I believe that Democratic Socialism will be the dominant force that emerges from the Bushista mess.

[OhioStateProgressive]

4. well, we can elect Dennis and have it both ways!

i agree with you, very much so

[JanMichael]

6. I'll amend my first post: Democratic Socialism will make a strong move...

...and then the Corpos will likely destroy us again through Media, and Money, control.

What to do, what to do...

[Catholic Sensation]

5. I'm moving to Ohio!!!

NC sucks with what party one can register with. Apparently the libertarians are a "larger group" than the Greens, though Ralph Nader beat the pants off of Jackson Browne 2 years ago.

[OhioStateProgressive]

7. well

primaries are open here...we can vote for whoever we choose...and as far as I know, SP-USA isn't a binding registration

[Paschall]

8. I vote the Socialist Party in France

But you can damn well be sure I'll be voting Democratic in the US.

By the way, as long as we're promoting a multi-party US of A.

There's also the Democratic Socialists of America

http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

And the Social Democrats USA

http://www.socialdemocrats.org

[Padraig18]

9. Shouldn't this be posted at www.socialistunderground.com?

This is democraticunderground.com, after all. Would you prostelytize for a fundy church in a synagogue? :eyes:

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[Padraig18]

16. Read "Democratic" underground.

Not "Democratic Socialist underground. As for the rest of your contemptible ad hominem, have a nice day.

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[Padraig18]

22. you didn't endorse anyone?

Then what is "Walt Brown for President", the subject line, supposed to mean, if not an endorssement? And I did NOT make 'a smartass statement'--- I asked a legitimate question.

[OhioStateProgressive]

23. notice the smily face

and also notice in this thread where i call for electing Dennis Kucinich

[Padraig18]

25. Change the subject line, then. n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

26. i tried...it said it was too late to edit (nt)

[Padraig18]

28. Too bad.

I was right to alert.

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[Padraig18]

31. I'll bitch, thank you. n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

33. LOL!

funny!

[JanMichael]

11. "and other progressives"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Don't worry so much. Or better yet alert the mods to see if locking would be appropriate.

See how easy peasy that is?:-)

[Rowdyboy]

12. One of DU"s rules

is that presidential candidacies of other parties should not be promoted here. I don't intend to alert, but it is inappropriate, at least according to the rules WE adopted.

[OhioStateProgressive]

13. well...

i mentioned his name in the title, only to make it relevant to "campaigns"

i did not mention or try to curry support for the said candidate

[Rowdyboy]

14. I agree

Just opening a discussion and there's nothing wrong with that. On rereading, I realized I was wrong. Sorry. Just mentioned that a direct endorsement of alternative party is taboo.

And welcome to DU... :toast:

[Padraig18]

15. I have alerted.

:grr:

[JanMichael]

19. Oh goody for you!

Once again: See how easy that is?

BTW: What's up with the rather over the top ":mad:" (Drat! No the flaming one...Flaming what?), do you feel somehow injured by this thread?

[Padraig18]

20. This is NOT a forum for other parties to promote their candidates!

That's what's up with my :grr:!

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[Padraig18]

27. Reading comprehension problem?

No, I comprehend the *title* "Walt Brown for President" quite clearly, thank you.

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[OhioStateProgressive]

38. logic is simple

I said i supported Kucinich

twice


no, three times now....

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[Padraig18]

41. You did NOT say so in the initial post.

"OhioStateProgressive (35 posts) Sun Nov-23-03 05:46 PM
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Walt Brown for President:)


i can't bring myself to vote SP-USA this year (i am registered)...but eventually this country is going to have to embrace democratic-socialism...the difference between it and the most liberal democrats is very small

so, I just thought it pertinent enough to post about...and wondered what your thoughts on Democratic-Socialism were?"

[OhioStateProgressive]

44. yes

i said the nation will have to embrace the ideals of democratic-socialism...when three of the 9 candidates are running on a Progressive (IE: Democratic-Socialist) platform, i thought it very relevant...the title was tongue in cheek, i thought the smily mdae it obvious, and I mentioned my support for Dennis in nearly every post i make on this forum (albeit not many posts)

i got the impression you were trying to start a fight and i reacted in kind

i can say one thing...I don't come to this message board to argue and fight with who i feel for the most part, are like minded people

[Padraig18]

46. I'm not trying to start a fight.

I'm trying to point out that this board is not to be used to support other party's candidates, even if you may have *meant* the subject to be tongue-in-cheek. A smiley doesn't do that.

[OhioStateProgressive]

48. well

than you have no complaint, because i already said i didn't

[Padraig18]

50. Your subject line...

... was, at best, poorly worded.

[OhioStateProgressive]

51. why didn't you say that then??(nt)

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[OhioStateProgressive]

53. is david duke a lefty, or progressive? i think not (nt)

[Padraig18]

56. And he's not a Democrat, just like walt Brown is not a Democrat! n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

55. either....

moderate democrats will accept the voices of us out on the left, or you will completely lose our support for the democratic party..

it is that close to happening on a massive scale, and some can't see it

[Padraig18]

18. If you are not *for* the Democratic nominee, you are *against* him.

This is NOT a forum to promote candidates of other parties! :grr:

[OhioStateProgressive]

21. as stated already...

i made no endorsement of any candidate...i made a title (with sarcastic smilyface next to it), and then spoke about progressive ideas...in fact, the only endorsement i made in ANY of my posts was for Dennis Kucinich

[Padraig18]

29. The subject line *is* an endorsement.

Don't be so clever next time.

[OhioStateProgressive]

34. no...it isn't...because....

I said it wasn't...I wasn't speaking spanish was I?

[Padraig18]

37. Yes, it is.

It is a simple, declarative English sentence, period.

[OhioStateProgressive]

39. this will go in circles

A) because I define what I say, and what I mean, and you can stay in the peanut gallery and worry about what you think and say

B) I have repeatedly told you as to what my position and logic were

if you choose to be incorrect, I cannot help you.

[Padraig18]

42. This is what your initial post and subject line *said*:

"OhioStateProgressive (35 posts) Sun Nov-23-03 05:46 PM
Original message
Walt Brown for President:)


i can't bring myself to vote SP-USA this year (i am registered)...but eventually this country is going to have to embrace democratic-socialism...the difference between it and the most liberal democrats is very small

so, I just thought it pertinent enough to post about...and wondered what your thoughts on Democratic-Socialism were?"

Spin it however you like, but you can't change it.

[OhioStateProgressive]

45. yes..again

no spin...I stand by what I said

[Padraig18]

47. Good.

Then I stand by my alert.

[OhioStateProgressive]

49. and you are the only one

"the city looks small, behind this dark wall"

[Padraig18]

54. Quite sure of that, are you?

You might check in the 'Ask the Administrators" forum; you'll find I'm not the only one who's alerted on the Walt Brown stuff.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

57. Is misdirected anger contagious?

[OhioStateProgressive]

32. elect Dennis Kucinich (nt)

[JohnKleeb]

43. amen

:hi: everyone
I like the idea of democratic socialism, which I think I have seen called libertarian socialism as well. I admit it with a grin, I am a far leftist and damn proud :).

[Rowdyboy]

58. It would really help matters a lot if you would

read and try to follow the rules. Then we might not have to go through shit like this. As an adult, I ask you to please take the time to see what is expected here by reading the rules. You're too new to know this, but we VOTED on them, they were accepted by the membership, and it is important that you follow them if you want to stay.

[Paschall]

59. Rowdyboy, was there really a vote on DU rules?

I don't recall that. I recall Skinner posting draft rules at least on one occasion asking members for suggestions.

After all, this is his site. Not a democracy.

But I suppose this is all bridge under the water anyway. Goodness, what a lot of flames and moderator time spent to no purpose!

[Rowdyboy]

61. Paschall

I can't believe that you missd it...You must have been away for awhile...Yes, Skinner and his cohorts carefully worked out a series of rules, tweaked them for a few days, and then we-AS A BODY-voted.

They passed 2-1. Can't believe youmissed the great election of 2003!

[OhioStateProgressive]

60. i did follow the rules

but i don't want to argue over it