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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:03 PM
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"Media Democracy" --What is that? Dutch Model- what's that?
We have all heard of
..Political democracy
..Economic democracy
..Workplace democracy
But what is "Media democracy"?

It is the "Dutch Model". It is the opposite of what we are saddled with in america, the opposite of Hate Radio having about 25 stations in each state. 1200 in toto.
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DUTCH MODEL --
They divvy up pages in newspapers, and put them under control by citizen media groups, according to size of the group.

If your local dem media group was twice the size of the repub group, your group would lay out sixty six of the paper's hundred pages. Total control of content.

I think small groups got a bit more than what size would allocate, to give them a fighting chance.

Possibly, they do this with electronic media too, in holland.
This all recalled from two decades ago. Might be different now.

EXAMPLE OF AMERICAN IGNORANCE:
I bet even among DU'ers, few knew of this. Did you? It is Not what mainstream media or hi schools like to teach us.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:17 PM
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1. That is very interesting.
The Dutch are very common sense people. Everytime I read about their medical policy, I think, wow, that makes so much sense. We should all do it that way.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:21 PM
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2. tell us about their medical policy
a bit.

had you heard of what i detailed?
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:39 PM
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3. No, I had not heard about the media policy.
I would like to read more if you have a link.

But I found out a little about their medical policies when I recently had a baby. I was interested in home birth, which is difficult in my state because of how the laws are written. But home birth is statistically safer than a hospital birth in low risk cases (like mine) if it is attended by a certified practitioner. Plus it is much much cheaper, really just a fraction of the cost of a hospital birth.

So the Dutch have universal health care, but to cut down on cost, a majority of the babies are delivered at home, with a midwife attending. Very smart and thrifty policy.

Can you imagine the 10 different kinds of aneurysms people would have if we tried to introduce home birth as the standard in this country? But if you look at the facts, it is a great idea.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:06 PM
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4. Dutch hosp's free, or just low fee so all can afford to buy insurance?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:10 PM by oscar111
Tell us a lot more, please, on their doctor set-up.
Having a baby would be hard for me, as i am a male.

The more folks here know about what already exists overseas, the sooner we will get such right here. Some need examples, because they just dont think in theory.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:25 PM
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6. I am not sure how the health care payment system is set up.
Just that the Dutch are good at providing high quality care at lower costs by using good common sense.
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HappinessPie Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:12 AM
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7. I agree - lived there 10 years ago and it was very straightforward...
to find a doctor. I was a student at the time, but I didn't have to wait at ALL to find a doctor for my respiratory infection, and it was very easy to obtain medication. I would say it was faster and easier there than it is in this country.

The Dutch know how to run social programs effectively. I have utmost respect for their policies (harm reduction, health care, education)...they actually value human beings.

I am sick of ignorant Americans acting like we have the best health care, the most freedom, etc. anywhere in the world. Anyone who espouses that has not actually BEEN anywhere else in the world.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:13 PM
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5. I don't know about the print media, but the public "omroep" ...
... or government public television and radio networks (Nederlands 1, 2, and 3) are set up like this. You pay a yearly license for radio and television, and you specify which of a list of organizations will get your money. In turn, those groups create programming (or buy programming) for the national network. The news on the public omroep (om-ROPE) is perhaps some of the most objective out there. In addition, every program in the TV listings is followed by an abbreviation identfying who is responsible for that block of programming.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:24 PM
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8. Media democracy vs. our Mediocrity
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