How Fox is spinning the latest Kay WMD report.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

Fox n Friends had Kucinich on this morning. The first thing they "asked" had to do with Kucinich's polls. Kucinich was told the usual about how he is polling behind everybody else. Dennis quickly responds with basically a "you guys really brought me on here to talk about how im polling, rather than the issue of why we are in an illegal war?" Which I thought was awesome, but the usual exchange of what you would expect between a Kucinich type, and a Fox n Friendz type ensued. Of course, at issue is this new report by David Kay saying that there are no WMD's in Iraq.

It wasn't until after Dennis was gone that what seems like the ultimate spin on the latest Kay WMD report showed it's face. They were cutting to a commercial break saying, "When we come back, Iraq has no WMD's, according to the new Kay report, so how was our INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY so wrong?"

So Rove plans to blame the intelligence community, despite the fact that the intelligence community does not dictate policy? This in hopes of deflecting the gaze of the citizenry from the Administration?

[krkaufman]

1. Four words to counter... "OFFICE of SPECIAL PLANS"

Office of Special Plans

The spies who pushed for war
Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force
Thursday July 17, 2003
The Guardian

EDIT: If you're not familiar with the "Office of Special Plans," you *need* to read the above article.

[0007]

2. Dennis does seem to always come up with the right answer

Well, what can ya say about fox that hasn't been said.

I absolutely don't watch fox or CNN or MSNBC.

[DarkPhenyx]

3. Heard something on NPR this morning.

Apparently Kay himself said "it isn't a question of the President apologizing to the American People, but the Intelligence Community apologizing to the President for misleading him." Not an exact quote, but a pretty close representation. It's nearly word for word.

[sonias]

4. heck I know without even tuning in

Terra, terra, terra, 9/11, 9/11, 911, it's not bush' fault.

That's what's coming out of the WH and that's they way Faux news will carry it. No serious questions asked. It's never bu$h' fault on anything. The man is perfect in their eyes.

They didn't get to be the top fake news network without a little work you know.

Sonia

[girl gone mad]

5. Read the Clark testimony.

Clark said we can afford to wait and give diplomacy a chance because the intelligence just isn't there. It's as plain as day. If Clark and others could figure it out, why couldn't Bush? Many, many people who had access to the same intelligence came to the opposite conclusion as the administration, so how can it have been an intelligence failure?

[DarkPhenyx]

7. Bush didn't care.

The invasion was never about terrorism or defending the US. Those things were only the convienent excuse for something they wanted to do anyway. This is why they set up their own intell group when the experts in the CIA were telling them that the weapons weren't there and we had no justification.

[ewagner]

9. WMDs were "bureaucratic" reason

according to Paul Wolfowitz. Does anybody remember that?

Almost as soon as it became apparent that there were no WMDs, Wolfie was spinning for all he was worth.

Btw.........where is Wolfowitz these days? He's been awfully quiet.

Planning for Syria maybe?

[Newsjock]

6. Why do we keep playing the Faux News game?

If our candidates and our lawmakers all unanimously decided that they would no longer give interviews to Faux News, their star would drop faster than the U.S. dollar.

I still don't get why any intelligent politician continues to humor them.

[Virgil]

8. Something to think about

There is obviously a misinformation campaign that starts with the Nazi's puppet down. It includes all subjects from the environment to the economy and Iraq.

Did you ever think that the government puts people to work on the Internet to be in forums like DU? I do because they are not going to completely ignore the only way people have around there thought herding.

Yesterday there was an article up about a Dutch CIA agent confessing his job was to spread disinformation in forums on the Internet. Yesterday here, there was a guy that asked in the heading something like"Were you 100% sure that Sadam did not have weapons of mass destruction?" And when I saw him sticking to that point, I thought this guy has some agenda to ask such an irrelevant question.

I headed with "Screw your question." The question is "When we had Saddam surrounded with the most powerful military on earth and had hundreds of inspectors in Iraq that could have been any number of thousands, why did Nazi Bu$h go all bellicose about having a unilateral war of aggression in violation of international law?"

On December 23, the Canadian Supreme Court was going to rule on whether it was Constitutional to even have laws against cannabis. On Apritl 28,1994, the German The Constitutional Court of Justice had set a world precedent by saying prosecution for personal possession and cultivation of cannabis was not Constitutional on the basis it does not harm and is a victimless act. Even the Supreme Court of Canada split 6 to 3 with what was some funny reasoning by the majority and many see as a political decision about the way the Supreme Court here appointed Bu$h.

I had started a thread in anticipation of the announcement and someone started a new thread. A few minutes after the announcement someone put up text out of the ruling that is like 480 pages long saying this is why they ruled the way they did. It did not contain a link to the report and it would be hours before I could find where it went up.

This is not tin foil hat stuff. There is a powerful and organized effort at disinformation around the world and once you see it on places like Fox and know the truth about things it stands out as obvious. It is just people that get their news diet from CNN and Faux news that can believe the crap that Bu$h spouts in the SOTU.

I also think now about Dean's shouting at how it was portrayed here as it was on television. It is just like in the media where they act like he went mad. He was giving a firey pep talk to the kids away from home on the announcement of a third place finish when everyone thought he would finish first. It is totally warped and the criticism here was immediate. It also was not anywhere near accurate.

I say there are people here that are out to herd people back to party line and I surely believe they are at FreeRepublic. Just read the gay-bashing threads or the WOD threads.

That is all.

[dennis4868]

10. What about the CIA internal review?

After the war the CIA had an internal review conducted by Richard Kearer(sp?)....he used to be deputy director of the CIA. His initial findings were that the CIA came up with circumstancial inferential evidence of WMD....NO HARD EVIDENCE since 1998....and it always came with caveats and qualifiers. The report said that the WH used selective evidence to use for their case for war in addition to there being massive intervention by the WH in the intelligence gathering process (i.e., Cheney). Basically the report said that what the WH was doing was performing data mining....going back over old information and coming to NEW conclusions. This report came out and the so called liberal media never picked up on it except for a couple of reporters (i.e., david corn). The media ignores this report and now there is a question of who is at fault....the CIA or the WH? Are you kidding me?