Is this BS or a lucky guess? Triv (WTAM-1100 Clear Channel) made a claim

[zbdent]

Yesterday afternoon, I heard Triv (WTAM-1100 AM, "The Big One" "The station with all the balls", etc, Clear Channel) gushingly report the old news story "The Catholic Church is refusing communion ..." yadda yadda yadda.

His sidekick, who (on rare occasions) corrects him politically, says that it's not right to deny anybody the sacraments.

Triv then made a claim that I find to be puzzling.

"You know who Catholics are? DEMOCRATS!" (something like that, just implying that most Catholics vote for Democrats).

Now, the puzzle.

1. Catholics are supposed to be anti-abortion. Democrats are generally pro-choice. Voting Dem for them is going against that tide. Go past a Catholic Church near the anniversary of Roe V Wade. Note the number of tiny white crosses.

2. His definition probably can be out of date by about 44 years. The last Catholic President was JFKennedy.

3. The religious right has not attached itself to the Democratic party, and, as far as I can see, Catholics tend to be religious.

4. Offsetting the entire Kennedy family are Ashcroft, Giuliani, Ahnold, a whole bunch of Republicans, AND TRIV HIMSELF! (Believe it or not, he actually leans pro-choice - but that doesn't stop him from gushing about any Republican except Bob Taft).

5. The Pope came out against the war. You don't hear the Religious Right saying much about that. Usually, you hear the Dems saying that. The Dems don't have the media's ears.

6. The Pope also recently came out against sporting events and similar things. "Keep the Sabbath sacred" or something like that. "The Big One" usually likes to broadcast the Browns games, along with the Cleveland Indians and the Cavaliers games. The Browns games tend to be on Sundays, and I do recall that there are baseball and basketball games that tend to occur on Sundays. Is Triv wanting to lose that revenue?

So, my question is this: Didn't he just lie his ass off, or are the Catholics in the US Dems?

(on a semi-related note, he heard Tim Ryan, a Niles, Ohio Democrat, say that we are "in a major recession", and he nearly drove his car into a ditch because Ryan "was lying through his teeth").

This a-hole claims he's Mr. Know-It-All. When caught, he spins it that he means "in sports". He's usually listening to Rush for the talking points.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Geez, ya can't pigeonhole ppl like that. I suppose

there's union Dem Catholics out there, but Catholics who feel strongly about abortion vote Repub.

[zbdent]

3. This jerkoff was saying that he knew how they ALL voted

by how he stated it.

like they were all in lockstep.

Especially stupid to say because his sexual infatuation with Repubs and his stance on abortion. They collide. He tends pro-choice, but that's about the only Dem-lean he has.

[Frodo]

2. Catholics are almost 50/50

You really can't categorize them as "republican" or "democrat".

The "ultra Catholic" Tridentine mass pre Vatican II catholic is much more likely to be a conservative. The rank-and-file Catholic is more moderate.

[prodigal_green]

4. I've seen figures closer to 65% Dem

I think on Zogby, but you can definitely find the numbers on Polling Report.

Big difference: Catholics believe that good works get you into heaven (which Kerry brought up during a speech--code for Catholic voters), not merely saying you believe in Christ. Good works include helping the poor and disenfranchises. For every bigot in the church, there are several Maryknoll missionaries, liberation theologists, Daniel Berrigans, Martin Sheen's etc. who are passionate about social justice and peace. This is the environment I was raised in. They are not one-issue voters-yes, abortion is a problem, but they are not going to vote for a warmongering, poverty-producing, racist, pro-death penalty candidate just because he's anti-choice.

[jobycom]

5. Catholic Church tends to be more international, less parochial

As when the pope opposed the war, for instance. This aligns with Democrats. Also, funDAMNentalists (as a preacher friend of mine calls them) hate Catholics, and don't consider them Christian. They claim that the Pope is the Beast of Revelations, for instance. And finally, Catholicism is stronger in cities, especially places like New York, than in rural areas, where protestatism is bigger.This drives a lot of Catholics away from the Republican Party.

You list the reason many vote Republican. And of course, just because someone identifies themselves with a particular denomination doesn't mean they think like everyone else in that denomination.

All generalizations. None of them are worth a damn. Catholics don't vote as a block.

[Pale Blue Dot]

6. My wife and her family are all Catholic.

Plus, they are all anti-abortion.

And they are all Democrats who will be voting for Kerry in the fall.