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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:16 PM
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Oliver North: Conspiracy Theories.
I think somebody's getting nervous...

"It's hard to say exactly when the Democrats decisively left the reservation, for the parallel universe that exists only in their own imaginations. In their world, Bill Clinton was impeached solely because Republicans were "trying to overturn the election"; Al Gore would be president today if only Jeb Bush hadn't stolen the election in Florida; and Osama bin Laden is a CIA operative who orchestrated Sept. 11 to justify the end of civil liberties in the United States. This litany of conspiracy theories barely scratches the surface of the paranoid mentality that currently infects American liberals."

Oliver North says they are all CT's.
Ergo: they must all be true.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20040102.shtml

(Caution: Townhall is a Heritage Foundation propaganda machine.)
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Eye See You Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:18 PM
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1. Are Neo-Cons Commies?
Neo-con! Thursday, January 01, 2004 Article#5
Flashback to any demonstration back in 1970:
Scene: I’m trying to get a protest against the war in Vietnam. An unkempt character holding a stack of the newspaper, “The Militant” approaches me.
Trotskyite: Excuse brother, would you like to buy the latest issue of, “The Militant”? This issue has an article about how the Liberals support American Imperialism in Africa!
Me: Sure man, but I’m broke! Can you give me one for free?
Trotskyite: Ah, no.
He goes to another potential customer and uses the same sales pitch.
Flash forward to 2003. I’m trying to get to the grocery store. The same guy I saw many years ago accosts me in the parking lot. This time he has a potbelly and gray hair. Now he is dressed in a black suit & tie with an American flag on his lapel.
Neo-Con: Excuse me my fellow American, would you like to buy the latest issue of, “The Spectator”? This issue has an article by Max Boot where he talks about how Liberals support Arab terrorists!
Me: Sure sir, do you take credit cards?
Neo-Con: Ah, no,
He goes to another potential customer and uses the same sales pitch.

I’m became suspicious of the Neo-Cons when I heard the phrase, “Stalinist” on right wing radio. The only people who use that term are Trotskyites. Then I learned doing research on the Neo-Cons. Read on
If you know anything about the Marxist left, you’d know about the schism in that movement. Out of the Russian revolution in 1917, a new faction emerged; Leon Trotsky led it. He broke away from Joe Stalin after Lenin died. Leon detested Joe’s dictatorial style and warned Russian: If you let Stalin lead, this nation will become a dictatorship! Well, Leon was right. Leon started a new International Communist organization. This pissed Joe off. So Joe sent agents to Mexico to assassinate him. Leon was exiled South of the border writing essays and having adulterous sex with the ugly artist, Frida Kahlo. I guess Leon had low self -esteem. One agent got him with an Ice pick. That agent was from the Polish Communist party and he forgot his gun at the hotel. After his death, Leon became a Communist martyr. However, the bulk of the Communist movement stuck with Joe. The U.S Communist Party supported Stalin. A new party was born and it was called, “The Socialist Workers Party” and they been annoying people ever since. A lot of American Jews joined that group, because Uncle Joe didn’t like Jewish people that much. A lot Jews are Trotskists for that reason. You would think that breaking away from C.P was enough. But no! Many different groups came from The Socialist Workers Party, like the, “Spartacus league”. Of all the Commie groups, Trotskyites are most self-righteous and obnoxious. OK, Maoists and Stalinists are assholes. But at least they are not politically conceited like them. By the time the 60’s came around they bugged everybody in the New Left. An epithet was used to identify them. That epithet was, “Trots”. They have been this almost cult like movement ever since their birth. Now we got that brief history out of the way, lets talk about another group whose origins came from the Trots movement. Neo-Cons! Political apostasy is nothing new. Every time a sell-out from the left leaves, they make a career out of being a right wing fuck head. It’s like the fanaticism of an ex-smoker. The granddaddy of the Neo-Cons was a chap named, “Irving Kristol”. This doofus founded that right wing pile of shit publication, “The American Spectator”. Back in the late 40’s to the early 50’s, this creep was a Trots. Then-
Came the McCarthy era and praise God! He became a Patriotic dick face. Mister Kristol created a version of Conservatism. He went from anti-Imperialism to pro-Imperialism. He took the doctrine of, “Manifest Destiny” and wrote a new doctrine called, “A new American century”. He envisioned a new American empire. Most of his ideology came from that sick 20th century philosopher, “Leo Strauss”. His main philosophical premise was; doing to evil-to-evil is for the greater good. This philosophy is being utilized in American foreign policy today. This philosophical rationale is the same type of excuse gang bangers use when an innocent child dies in a drive by shooting. Their excuse is: oh well, the kid was in the wrong place at the wrong. Hey, if some Iraqi women & child get killed in a bombing raid, that’s the sacrifice you use in fighting evil. The Neo-Cons have infiltrated government, corporations, the Church, the military, and intelligence agencies. They have ingratiated them selves in powerful circles through political osmosis. If I sound like a right wing conspiracy nut, that would be the wrong impression. All this stuff can be variable and proven. These names are part of the inner cabal of the Neo-Con, Michael Ledeen, Max Boot, Irving Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove and David Horowitz. Do research on these names and you will be surprise. It is not a stretch for Neo-Con to Liberal bait. Left wing Trotskyites where notorious Liberal baiters. They hated Liberals. Neo-Con propaganda you hear tries to cover all bases. They are attempting to change the meaning of Liberalism. They claim that Liberalism of the 60’s is different that the Liberalism of today! Donkey shit! They know damn well that Liberalism hasn’t changed since 1930’s. When they say Liberals are spouting out Communism, it is wrong and stupid! There are Progressives and Social Democrats who spout out Socialist ideas, but they are not Liberals! Neo-Con is trying to change Political definitions and taxonomy for their own political ends. It ain’t gonna work! Arab terrorism is a problem, but the big problem is Neo-Cons. They created Arab Terrorism.
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The footnotes are these links.
http://hnn.us/articles/1530.html
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8390
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j061303.html
http://www.againstbombing.org/howtookover.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch66.html
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:59 PM
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8. who wrote this?
Interesting.

I like the group site to, but my time is too limited to follow it.

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:19 PM
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2. Pssst
Oliver North is a pathological liar. Pass it on.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:47 PM
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10. you got it
> Oliver North IS a pathological liar <
he's a gas bag too ..
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:19 PM
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3. The Heritage Foundation or "The Hitlertage Foundation"
:puke:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:20 PM
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4. Ollie North gave Hawk antiaircraft missles to Iran
Edited on Fri Jan-02-04 05:31 PM by SpiralHawk
and a cake and a Bible, too. He was making money to fund the slaughter of the Mayan people and the Sandanistas in Central America. Such a dark figure. Playing "the patriot game."

True patriots serve the people, not the octopus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
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Misterpilot Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:42 PM
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5. I don't know about the Mayans
But he did preside over the wholesale slaughter of Sandinistas. He also helped fund the assassinations of the communist guerilla leadership in El Salvador all back during the mid 80s. I was rather surprised that the Nicaraguan people have had three free elections since the Sandinistas were booted and they have not put them back in power, though they have run in each election.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:46 PM
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6. How incredibly ironic
A man who lead a true conspiracy accusing us of believing in conspiriacies.

Have we gone through the looking glass yet?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 05:54 PM
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7. I'm sure you all caught Mr. North at his Iran-Contra trial
telling the judge that there was a committee in the Reagan administration who's sole duty was to find under what circumstances the government could suspend the Consitution. (Gee, doesn't that line look a lot like all the other conspiracy theories?)

Well, I caught it. Ollie brought it up, the government jumped up and talked to the judge, and the judge stopped the hearing for the day because Ollie wasn't allowed to talk about that.

And it looks like the committee did figure out when the Constitution could be susupended, doesn't it.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:04 PM
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9. Where did the money go?
"The contras received between $83 and $97 million in support between 1984 and 1986, more than $20 million of which cannot be accounted for and nearly twice what they needed for the war effort, according to a review of their finances. Oliver North's repeated assertions in memos that the contras were desperately lacking in funds raises suspicions that North funneled money to Project Democracy companies for the contras. The $10 million donation from the Sultan of Brunei to Secord's Lake Resources, Inc. may have gone to pay off debts, bribe Honduran officials and aid anti-communist rebels in Afghanistan and Angola it is reported." -New York Times 4/8/87

No wonder Ollie is applying that CT brand so liberally. Wouldn't it be a shocker if Ollie authorized the dibursement of a few million to OBL?
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