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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:31 PM
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Federal retirement fund raided...
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 06:35 PM by zoeb
I found this info posted in a news group for postal workers. The TSP Fund is a newly implemented retirement fund for new employees that went into effect in the '90's. They won't pass a laws to protect 401k plans because they are raiding the government equivelent... the TSP fund. I thought this retirement fund would eliminate worry of Social Security being raided or privatized. WTF was I thinking.


US President George Bush's administration has weathered a pre-election mauling by announcing emergency measures to skirt a $7.38-trillion debt limit.
Treasury Secretary John Snow said he would use pension money to keep the government running.
In a letter to US Senate majority leader Bill Frist on Thursday, Snow said he was immediately suspending payments to a federal employees' retirement scheme, the Government Securities Investment Fund (G-Fund).
The missing money would be repaid in full later, with no net effect on the fund or retirees, he promised.



Didn't we hear the same thing about Social Security?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:55 PM
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1. link please
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:19 PM
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2. Links
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 07:19 PM by zoeb
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041014/ap...

about 9th paragraph

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/339AE7B7-F750-41...
yeah, Aljazeera ...go figure it was the original link posted so I searched yahoo news. I suppose one could find more by googling Snow.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:32 PM
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3. BOTH are gone!
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:39 PM
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4. yahoo/alj story
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary John Snow announced Thursday that the government has begun using various accounting procedures to avoid hitting the $7.4 trillion national debt limit.



Snow made the announcement in a letter to Congress, which has not passed legislation needed to boost the government's borrowing authority, which now stands at a statutory limit of $7.4 trillion.


"Given current projections, it is imperative that the Congress take action to increase the debt limit by mid-November," when "all of our previously used prudent and legal actions to avoid breaching the statutory debt limit will be exhausted," Snow wrote in the letter to House and Senate leaders of both parties.


Democrats used Snow's announcement to attack the Bush administration's record budget deficits, which will force Congress to increase the debt ceiling for the third time in three years.


"Though the administration tries to diminish the gravity of the problem, there is no way to dismiss debt ceiling increases at historic highs. This is the burden Republican policies are passing onto next generations, and there is no plan or prospect for confronting it," said Rep. John Spratt (news, bio, voting record) of South Carolina, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee.


Congress is expected to come back in a special session after the Nov. 2 elections to deal with the debt limit and pass a massive spending bill to keep the government running.


Republican leaders did not want to take up the debt issue before the election and open themselves up to Democratic attacks about the record federal budget deficits run up during President Bush (news - web sites)'s first term in office.


The government recorded a $374 billion budget deficit last year — a record in dollar terms — and projections call for this year's to be even larger, more than $400 billion, which would set a new record.


Snow said in his letter he would begin halting new investments in a retirement fund for federal workers as a way to stay under the debt limit. Snow said the maneuvers would have no lasting impact on the fund because the government would make up the lost investments and any lost interest payments once the government's borrowing authority has been boosted.


Snow also noted that the same maneuver had been used by his predecessors.


Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), the Democratic presidential challenger, has attacked Bush for taking the government from surpluses to record deficits, a switch that Kerry blames on large tax cuts Kerry contends favor the wealthy.


Bush, however, counters that the tax cuts helped to lift the economy out of the 2001 recession and that the budget deficits were caused by the need to beef up spending to fight two wars and protect the homeland against terrorist threats.


A Treasury Department (news - web sites) spokeswoman said the battle over the debt limit was not expected to affect the Treasury's announcement of when it will hold its next quarterly auctions of government securities.




Alj story


US President George Bush's administration has weathered a pre-election mauling by announcing emergency measures to skirt a $7.38-trillion debt limit.



Treasury Secretary John Snow said he would use pension money to keep the government running.



In a letter to US Senate majority leader Bill Frist on Thursday, Snow said he was immediately suspending payments to a federal employees' retirement scheme, the Government Securities Investment Fund (G-Fund).



The missing money would be repaid in full later, with no net effect on the fund or retirees, he promised.



The treasury secretary said he was forced to take the emergency accounting step because congress had not acted on his 2 August request for the government's legal debt limit to be raised.



Any move by congress to raise the debt limit could be politically embarrassing.



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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:24 PM
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5. Ashcroft also would not pursue case against contractor who ripped it off
Several years ago The Thrift Savings Plan for Federal employees contracted with a private company to upgrade and modernize the record keeping procedures. The company charged millions but failed to meet their deadlines and do the work on the system that they had promised. The millions paid for these promised enhancements came from the federal employees funds. When the Thrift's administrators tried to take legal action to get back money that they had paid the contractor, their attempts were blocked by the Justice Department.

Guess what, the company had close ties to Bush & Co. and got to keep their overcharges. The last I heard the Thrift fund administrators who raised hell about what was done, still had not gotten any satisfaction in recovering the money so the employees rates of return on their investments were reduced accordingly.
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:33 PM
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6. and these are the one's who
would privatize social security! This country is so f*&ked.
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bekki31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:54 PM
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7. Needing to Vent; No one else will listen
I don't know if anyone here is in Columbus, Ohio but we have an overabundance of refugees and illegals here. The refugees are not only receiving welfare benefits but also seven years of social security payments. No taxes are withheld from any of this. They have special seminars in the welfare office to help them find housing and anything else they need. Not to mention the fact that they are driving new cars.

The illegals are getting home loans and jobs. I can't even get a job but they are. Doesn't make sense to me.

I spent four years with my husband in the military, he got out to go to college; seven years and $50,000.00 in school loans later he can't get a job in the field he was trained in. He has a bachelors degree and is making $11.00 an hour. He can't even get back in the military because Bush is cutting the troop size. The Navy and Air Force are both downsizing.

Speaking of jobs, anyone here buy GAP, OLD NAVY, OR BANANA REPUBLIC
Just food for thought, Most of their corporate company is in INDIA and in Ohio they won't hire anyone that is a citizen in IT. They bring people over from INDIA to run the programming. They use American contractors to assist them. My husband contracted for them and after finding out all of the information that I did, I will never buy from them again. They openly admitted that their products came from sweatshops, and that they are retraining the managers in them not to beat the employees.

I just needed to vent and I am new here.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:33 PM
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8. welfare and a new car?
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 12:35 PM by baldearg
Gimme a break on that one. If these people are on welfare, they cannot buy a new car (where does the money come from?). The welfare system does not allow a person to own anything basically.

As for loans - same deal - no job and welfare - who will lend money to someone in this situation?

:think: is my suggestion to you and I'm sorry your husband doesn't make enough $ to please you.

Can't win 'em all ... and this is btw a thread on the raiding of the TSP that U.S. postal employees may opt to pay into, not a thread about immigrants.

:kick:
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bekki31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 09:30 PM
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9. baldearg
Gee and to think my husband puts his life on the line for you in the military. Justs makes my heart glow with warmth.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 04:55 AM
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10. I thought you said the military won't take him?
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 05:20 AM by baldearg
What is your trip exactly? Do you even know? As I clearly stated before, this is a thread about the U.S. Postal Service and the TSP system they have that is being raided by the federal government. Do you know anything about being employed by the federal government? I suspect not ...



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