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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:12 AM
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Clinton added jobs? Help me destroy freeper argument!
This freeper is claiming Clinton did not add any jobs.

anyone know how many jobs Clinton years added?

I thank you for any help on this!
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:14 AM
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1. Clinton added 22 million jobs
What kind of psycho are you talking to?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:29 AM
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5. Does that 22 million include, or stand above the jobs that needed
to be created to counter the 7.5% unemployment left him by Bush1? In other words, 22 million in 8 years, or just in the 6 years after he cleaned up Pappy's mess?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:16 AM
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2. Check the Department of Labor Payroll Survey results - based on payroll
tax payments.

I doubt payroll tax is paid if the job does not exist as a filled position.

www.DOL.GOV
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:17 AM
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3. common method of measuring job growth
oddly enough.

Denial is no just a river in Alabama apparently.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:26 AM
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4. THANKS!! ok, everybody agree on 22 million?
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 11:28 AM by oscar111
Super thanks to Green! Fast and short, just like i like info.

Couldnt find payrolls at the DOL site index.

All agree that 22 M is the answer?

This freeper is a big one for the startling claim. But this will deflate him, for sure!
The DU gang comes thru again!
PS what does prodigal green mean?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:34 AM
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8. Exact data below: 131785 less 108726 is 23+ million new jobs
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 11:41 AM by papau
End of Dec 92 to end of Dec 2000 - 23+ millionnot seasonally adjusted, or 132441 less 109418 seasonally adjusted, or 23+ million



http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm
http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cesbtab1.htm
Series Id: CEU0000000001Not Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total nonfarmIndustry: Total nonfarmNAICS Code: N/AData Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1992 106659 106908 107424 108258 109065 109555 108537 108591 109372 109959 110200 110186 108726
1993 108021 108625 109058 110060 111021 111610 110742 110847 111831 112493 112837 112980 110844
1994 110730 111308 112283 113364 114376 115171 114227 114535 115591 116217 116827 116861 114291
1995 114551 115213 115972 116803 117523 118243 117008 117268 118180 118780 119017 119015 117298
1996 116315 117252 118056 118890 120017 120681 119642 119931 120673 121383 121842 121815 119708
1997 119269 120125 121007 121979 123052 123701 122709 122770 123770 124673 125063 125196 122776
1998 122636 123405 124121 125159 126240 126902 125833 126069 126874 127652 128052 128215 125930
1999 125462 126445 127158 128305 129176 129906 129039 129093 129867 130804 131262 131403 128993
2000 128763 129428 130526 131525 132481 132998 131777 131785 132450 133007 133372 133308 131785
2001 130433 131098 131690 132094 132800 133179 131686 131613 131871 132072 131880 131491 131826
2002 128602 129069 129672 130257 131023 131404 129959 130044 130559 131227 131346 130933 130341
2003 128248 128660 129148 129781 130520 130830 129481 129512 130135 130924 131071 130862 129931
2004 128190 128786 129816 130978 131881 132325 131173 131212(p) 131916(p)
p : preliminary



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Series Id: CES0000000001Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total nonfarmIndustry: Total nonfarmNAICS Code: N/AData Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1992 108313 108242 108301 108457 108584 108640 108714 108851 108888 109061 109205 109418
1993 109725 109962 109916 110223 110496 110660 110960 111119 111359 111638 111901 112203
1994 112473 112665 113133 113490 113829 114139 114498 114801 115155 115361 115786 116056
1995 116377 116588 116808 116971 116962 117189 117260 117538 117777 117926 118070 118210
1996 118192 118627 118882 119047 119376 119647 119875 120078 120296 120534 120826 121003
1997 121232 121526 121843 122134 122396 122642 122918 122911 123417 123756 124063 124361
1998 124629 124814 124962 125240 125641 125846 125967 126322 126543 126735 127020 127364
1999 127477 127873 127997 128379 128593 128850 129145 129338 129525 129947 130242 130536
2000 130730 130876 131369 131677 131908 131883 132043 132015 132104 132134 132317 132441
2001 132388 132492 132507 132236 132237 132087 131972 131831 131564 131203 130871 130659
2002 130494 130404 130447 130379 130381 130406 130295 130306 130259 130342 130305 130096
2003 130190 130031 129921 129901 129873 129859 129814 129789 129856 129944 130027 130035
2004 130194 130277 130630 130954 131162 131258 131343 131471(p) 131567(p)
p : preliminary

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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 07:32 PM
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14. Jobs
Just imagine how many jobs would have been created if those jackasses in the Republican controlled Congress had approved of the legislation that Mr Clinton wanted! His policies could have created another 10 million or more. And if the Nov 2000 election hadn't been stolen, we could have counted on still another 10 million jobs!!!

Imagine - no unemployment, no deficits, no foreign wars.

VOTE FOR KERRY-EDWARDS!!!
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:37 PM
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13. prodigal green
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 01:37 PM by prodigal_green
means I voted Nader in 2000 but came home again.

edit: before crucifying me--I voted Nader in a safe state.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:29 AM
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6. Tell him/her this from ME.
"You're too stupid to hold American Citizenship and are hereby deemed stripped of said citizenship. Please move to crawford texas where your fateful leader resides. Idiot."


FOB thanks you for dealing with such a moran in the first place.

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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:31 AM
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7. Use these facts and links
Cause we Democrats like to use facts and repukes like to use fear.

November 3, 2000

The Clinton-Gore Economic Record: The Longest Expansion In History And Over 22.4 Million New Jobs

Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics Released a New Employment Report Showing that Over 22.4 Million Jobs Have Been Created Since January 1993. In 1992, when Bill Clinton was elected President, the American economy was barely creating jobs, wages were stagnant, and the unemployment rate was 7.5 percent. President Clinton’s bold, three-part economic strategy has focused on three objectives: fiscal discipline, investing in education, health care, science and technology; and opening foreign markets. This strategy has helped create over 22.4 million jobs and contributed to the longest economic expansion in U.S. history.

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Nov_3_134817_2000.html


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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:34 AM
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9. By the end of his first term
President Clinton's economy had added 10 million new jobs. The economic plan responsible for this growth had passed in 1994 without a single republican vote.

By the end of his second term, 22 million jobs had been added.

The touted argument that the unemployment rate is exactly where it was in 1996 is true, but only tells half the truth. In January, 1993, when President Clinton took office, the unemployment rate was 7.9%, and was DOWN to 5.4% at the end of that term. When Bush took office in January 2000, the unemployment rate was 4.2%, and is now UP to 5.4%. Not exactly the accomplishment he is claiming.

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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:48 AM
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10. papau, free1, maven: you knocked my socks off!!
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 11:49 AM by oscar111
wow what deep source finding, and so FAST.

How you guys do that? Gals maybe, cant tell.

can all explain webhandles? hobby of mine to learn what they mean.

I will relay the message to freeper about retiring to Crawford LOL.

Looks like 23 million, ten the first term, is the figure.

Papau, you must have facts running out of your fingertips.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:54 AM
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11. :-) Aw shucks! .... :-)
:-)
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:12 PM
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12. PS the ancillary facts, like unemp rate up during bush,
and the three prong C. strategy, and all the other ancillary facts volunteered above, are more than i have time to comment on just now, but be assured they are now in my memory to fire at freepers,

and these new facts are most appreciated. Freepers will now lose pretty fast on these issues.

You guys/gals are educating me!
oscar
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