JOB LOSSES AT LEVEL OF GREAT DEPRESSION CONTRADICT BUSH WISHFUl PREDICTIO

[papau]

JOB LOSSES AT LEVEL OF GREAT DEPRESSION CONTRADICT PRESIDENT BUSH'S WISHFUL PREDICTIONS

Instead of creating 510,000 jobs in 2003, as President Bush predicted, the Republican-led economy has suffered a net loss of 473,000 jobs so far this year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/creating_jobs.html
"The President's Jobs and Growth Plan: Creating New Jobs", White House Fact Sheet.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030915-6.html
Defying Forecast, Job Losses Mount for a 22nd Month," New York Times, 9/06/03.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. "The President's Jobs and Growth Plan: Creating New Jobs",

in India.....

[mhr]

2. More Very Good Information Here

http://www.jobwatch.org/

[papau]

3. Thanks

:-)

[JBirch]

6. Exporting jobs=treason?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/09-22-2003/vo19no19_exporting.htm

[sirshack]

7. You can't "export" jobs

You cannot buy or sell a job....only a good or a service. Exportation and importation can only occur when a good or service is bought or sold. Jobs are not a good or a service...they are only associated with the creation of goods or execution of services.

[mhr]

8. A Job Done Here That is Then Moved Oveseas

becomes a job exported from a labor perspective.

[sirshack]

9. It's just sloppy language....

Labor and goods/services do not behave the same way because they aren't the same thing.

[mhr]

10. Sometimes Sloppy Language is More Descriptive Than

precise economic definitions.

This language rings true with working Americans, sloppy or not.

[sirshack]

11. I have to disagree....

Sloppy language (actually, it's more appropriate to say "sloppy terminology") is just sloppy and in this case, incorrect.

[mhr]

12. You Can Disagree All You Want

It doesn't matter because the lexicon has already incorporated the notion of job exportation.

Sorry! I am just the messenger here. Sometimes it is hard to fight public wisdom.

[sirshack]

13. I think that's the problem....

....there's no virtue in sloppy terminology. I'd prefer us to speak correctly.

[mhr]

14. I've lost your point

The meme is out there in the "ether".

[TrogL]

15. you're using different definitions of the same word

To the man on the street a "job" is a place to work.

To an economist, sociologist or political watcher a "job" has greater meaning as an entity. In this context, it is perfectly OK to talk about exporting "jobs" because the economic, social and political attributes associated with "job" travel with it.

[sirshack]

16. I still disagree....

If you base policy/platforms on sloppy language, your policy/platform will not be successful.

[FDRrocks]

4. Bush is no FDR

that is for sure. And people in America are, most of all, greedy. He can have an october surprise... if it isn't a looting of Iraq for cheap oil and an economic boom, and is a terrorist attack, he will not get what he wants.

I used to think these people were infallable evil geniuses. Rove and Cheney in the past days have proven thier fallacies. These guys are out.

Now, Democrats need to get a person in, and make significant change. I will be very unhappy with your party if we go through 4-8 years with little to no change in the corporate nanny state and massive armament industries. The depression did not yield a moderate, they yielded one of the greatest leaders any nation has ever had.

I re-registered Democrat to give Rep. Kucinich my vote, and I will vote Democratic as far center as Edwards if need be.

[twilight]

5. worse record than Hoover!

Of course there are a lot more people than there were when Hoover was President, but good God!

:dem:

[srpantalonas]

17. Poll: white collar job loss...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=1892