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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:39 AM
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US Could Be Going Bankrupt!
Here is a tid bit that hasn't been in our mainstream much because of the situation with Israel right now.

It seems a well respected person named Professor Laurence Kotlikoff, for the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve, has wrote a paper explaining just how soon we will not own a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of!

I will stress this again to all that do not believe!



It is all about the DEBT!

Source:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2006/07/14/ixcity.html>UK Telegraph

The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the country's central bank.

A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb could send the economic superpower into insolvency, according to research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve.

Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped bare, destitute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked.

According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed, bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who, in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various kinds''.

The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north of 3pc of GDP.

Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can constitute or lead to national bankruptcy.

"Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going broke."

Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap" between all future government spending and all future receipts will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and Smetters.

The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare, which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid, which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to demographics.

Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying. One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc."

The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds.

Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries over the past century."

Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics," he said.

"This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly, the expected increase in social security spending can be controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more pressing."
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:45 AM
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1. Thanks for posting n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:45 AM
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2. The US could pay off the National Debt in 1-2 years and create
a stable money supply that would virtually eliminate periods of inflation or depression in future. Impossible? Not according to Milton Friedman.

Yeah - I know: MILTON FRIEDMAN... :nuke:

The link to this video was posted here last Sunday and there were a few positive comments about it, so I watched it. There is a whole lot of history that I knew nothing about and this seems to be a plan that would work in favor of us all. It is really pretty simple.

The US could pay off the National Debt in 1-2 years and create
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Alex35332 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:12 AM
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10. I think a Tobin tax is the only way to pay off the debt
Tax on Stocks Bonds Derivitaves ect, put a micro tax on them and you can pay off the Debt, or get rid of taxes on 90% of the population. A .1% tax will raise 1.3 trillion dollars. So a 1% tax for one year would cancle the debt.

This idea came from http://kevinzeese.com/content/view/152/45/
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:32 AM
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11. Tobin tax - Damn. That is good. Thanks! (n/t)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:48 AM
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3. we are bankrupt
it`s just the other nations keep giving us credit because it will bankrupt them too...actually if the united states would curb the huge cost of the military and oil dependence our economic situation would be alot different in the future
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:56 AM
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4. my wife just got hired back into a job totally outsoursed to china, there
must be something in the wind.. you cant make clothes without a pattern maker.. her jobe in the US has been Extinct for years.. suddenly she and her friends are all hired back into the indistry..

like maybe the companys know there will be trouble with China soon.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:57 AM
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5. SS was "fixed" years ago. Greenspan suggested raises the SS
taxes now to cover the Boomers retirement. It's been that was for at least 20 years. The gov't owes SS $1 trillion dollars. That's why there is no real problem for 40 years. Then - think about it - the Boomers will be around 100 years old. Right now only 1% of the retirees are 100. There is no way the Boomers are going to break SS. The people that will break SS is the gov't with it's mismanagement of the SS funds and polices like we've seen the last 6 years.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:01 AM
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6. We've been ROBBED
by Republicans !!!
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 08:54 AM
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7. Where can one find Prof K's paper?
Anybody know?
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lagged_variable Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:07 AM
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8. .
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:20 AM
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9. gracias...nt
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:54 AM
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12. Since the 70's, just smoke and mirrors
That is to say, after US oil peaked and a fiat currency was imposed, based upon a shake of the right hand and a left full of missiles, bankruptcy is just a matter how long the con can be drawn out.
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