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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:35 AM
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The Housing Bust: Economist warns 5/07 recession immanent
My husband and I were looking to buy a home. The news was telling us about the real estate market currently undergoing a "soft landing". Things are still good and this right now is a buyers market, they say. Our guts told us to keep researching because somehow paying 500k for a fixer-upper seems well, insane and not what I thought a buyers market would look like at all. Being economically illiterate, I couldn't understand this whole the economy is robust rhetoric I keep hearing everywhere from Bloomberg news to NPR to CNN and so on. My research on the real estate market shed light on the real reason for this economic boom we've been hearing so much about and the papier-mache foundation it's made of.

From what I've gathered, it goes something like this. Low interest rates allowed non-traditional exotic mortgages to flood the market. Home owners and home buyers were now able to take out mortgages they normally would not be able to afford because the low interest rates allowed for illusionary low payments. This gave homeowners the extra capital to fix their homes, buy cars, go on vacation etc. which wages/savings had failed to do. This borrowed money is the only thing fueling our economy. As people begin to choke on their debt because of rising interest rates, devalued properties, outsourcing, energy prices, stagnant wages a mass movement is afoot to either refinance, sell or worse yet, foreclose. The problem with refinancing is many people bought homes that are now valued less then what they mortgaged it out for. The banks will not refinance your mortgage if you owe more then the house is worth. The only other option is to sell the house at a loss or foreclose. With the new bankruptcy laws you can see who the real looser in this game is.

A sharp reversal is now hitting the US housing market: another of this system's endemic boom-bust cycles. As is widely known, over the last decade at least, while the US economy became sharply more unequal (rapidly rising gap between rich and poor), it managed to avoid a severe recession. Goods and services purchases kept rising fast enough to keep unemployment from worsening as much as it otherwise would have (given outsourcing, automation, and other factors diminishing the quality and quantity of jobs in America: see Stanley Aronowitz, Just Around the Corner: the Paradox of the Jobless Recovery, Philadelphia Temple University Press, 2005).

The remarkable economic reality was that American workers' real wages did not rise across these years. Their stagnant wages would not have allowed those rising consumer purchases. What financed them instead was debt. The US working class took on levels of personal and household debt never before seen in this or any other country. Some of that debt (credit cards) was unsecured by any collateral. But much of that debt was secured by home mortgages. American workers borrowed massive amounts of money at historically low interest rates by increasing their mortgage debts. Thus the US housing market enabled American workers to borrow more, which they used to make the rising purchases that kept the economy from sinking into deep recession or depression.

Basically, it worked like this. People borrowed to buy or expand a home. Housing prices (home values) were bid up. With more value in their now higher-priced homes, American workers had more collateral with which to borrow more. The boom in building and improving homes generated a huge portion of the rising consumer spending that kept the US economy afloat. This cycle of borrowing-building-and borrowing more-and building more produced an historic run-up in home prices alongside an historic rise in consumer debt. The rapidly increased borrowing allowed all kinds of consumer spending to rise, not only spending on housing. It all worked out very nicely so long as borrowing and spending kept rising and raising each other.

But the building has now stopped growing and started tanking. The LA Times reports that the California Realtors Association recently adjusted its projection for total housing sales in 2006 from a fall of 2 per cent to a fall instead of 16.8 per cent. Hello! Usually, where California goes, so goes the nation. Thus, the chief executive of the largest homebuilding corporation in the US, D.R. Horton, Inc., told investment analysts that his company's national sales "fell off the Richter scale" in June, 2006. According to Money Week magazine, Ameriquest -- a leading US mortgage lending company -- recently announced that it is closing 229 branches and laying off 3,500 employees. The mortgage lending business is tanking as housing sales drop.

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/wolff240706.html

This from an economist from Merrill Lynch:
Grab a red pen and circle May, 2007, on your calendar.

That month is full of foreboding for the U.S. economy, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. North American economist David Rosenberg, who sees inauspicious portents in the data.

"They all put a big fat bull's eye on May, 2007, as the month that we could see an actual economic turndown," he says in a note to clients.

The economist adds that the outlook is gloomy no matter what action the U.S. Federal Reserve Board takes on interest rates. "It may well be too late and the seeds could well have already been sown for an outright recession next year."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060725.RMERRILL25/TPStory/Business
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:39 AM
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1. Laissez le bon rouleau de temps!
Time to brush up on my European Languages. :blush: :hi:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:43 AM
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2. Agreed
The working class has just about tapped out (in the absence of real wage gains or even enough to maintain their previous level of income) any creative method of keeping itself afloat. 2 wage earner families, multiple jobs, credit card debt, sometimes bizarre mortgages or multiple mortgages. I cannot think of anything else that will keep the working class even much less trying to maintain a reasonable lifestyle (a house, transportation, health care, kids getting to go to college, etc). The boat is sinking!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:48 AM
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3. Don't worry - "Helicopter Ben" will save us!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:09 AM
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4. a bust in housing would hit cali very hard.
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 09:10 AM by xchrom
we have a lot of people working in real estate.

paper pushers, agents, lenders, etc

think of the movers and others.

a lot of cali's economy is tied up in real estate at this time.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:22 AM
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5. Recession is here
My daughters are waitressing this summer. Recently, they noticed that people are not eating out as much as they did even a few months ago, and they are tipping less or stiffing the waitresses entirely.

A week ago, one daughter worked a full shift and came home in tears with only $7 in tips. Her base pay is only about $2.30 an hour. The other one made $12 in tips during a full shift. They are trying to earn money to pay for gas and college expenses, so this really hurts them. They're barely earning enough gas money to get to work.

Then a friend told me he was laid off from a part-time job dispatching limos. The limo business is way down, even in the NYC-northern NJ area where he worked. He also works for a moving company, booking moves. Business is horrible -- even in the peak moving month of July they have far fewer moves scheduled than last year. Houses aren't selling, and folks aren't moving.

These are warning signs of a bad economic downturn. High gas prices and high housing costs are a big part of it. I'm afraid this will become a depression, if it hasn't already.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:32 AM
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6. that's awful. It's really hard for everyone right now.
I'm just afraid this is only the beginning.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 12:19 PM
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11. waitressing jobs
i think the minimum wage laws require that the employer makeup the difference in pay if the amount earned by a server does not come up to minimum wage levels. check your local laws to be sure.

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Uppanotch Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:33 PM
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14. So, these people should just stop whining. Is that what you're saying?

If the minimum wage was raised to a living wage, that would be one thing. And, if there was a decent mass transportation system in places other than NYC, then fewer people would have to spend the bulk of their meager minimum wage on gasoline to get to and from work.
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 08:49 PM
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19. If they raised the MW and installed decent mass transit...
...land owners and other monopolists would simply raise their prices. So your waitress still couldn't afford to buy a house anywhere served by the transit, and could barely afford the new rents.

Plus, if you raise MW in a limited area, many jobs will merely be outsourced: DC has a high minimum wage, as does MD. So many things are delivered daily from PA.

A better way to raise wages, and keep housing affordable, would be to raise taxes on land values. Such a tax actually increases housing units and business places, decreasing the cost to purchase or rent these places (i.e. housing is more affordable, business starts are more affordable). There's no way to outsource this benefit, either.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:48 AM
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7. CA has 500,000 Licensed Real Estate Agents...One for every 55 Adults????
I wonder how many other states like Florida, SC, GA and NC and the rest of the East Coast have almost same proportion of Real Estate agents to population because of the huge housing boom in 2nd homes on the beach?

From the first article:


Drastically fewer new home sales have numerous economic effects. They undermine the building of new homes and thereby reduce employment in the home building businesses and in all the businesses dependent on home building (furniture producers, mortgage lenders, appliance manufactures, landscapers, etc.). Consider, for instance, that California now has an historic 500,000 licensed real estate agents: one for every 55 adults in the state. With fewer homes being sold, these people will compete within a fast shrinking real estate market. Many will be unable to earn an income and forced to accept jobs in other industries at lower pay, thus exerting downward pressure on pay scales generally.[/i
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:03 AM
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15. local title co. just laid off many employees
I was talking to someone while waiting at a medical facility... seems that the RE boom is already bust in our little neck of the woods (Lake Co., CA). The lady mentioned the title co. her husband worked at had laid off nine employees. That is a lot of people for our low population county. No one is buying houses, so there is no need for title people.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:43 AM
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8. I was finally patted on the back on Tuesday for
having the smarts to offer my pop's house in Florida at 10% below market value and then negotiating down another 5%. I sold it in a week when most houses on the market were there an average of five months.

Houses in the area are now down 30% and they're still not selling, and this is a desirable area of the state, a barrier island off the east coast, and considered a prime area for retirees.

At the time, people thought I was nuts.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:53 AM
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9. a friend of mine made good money buying homes then turning
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 11:55 AM by Chimichurri
around and selling them over the past 3 years. The problem now is he's stuck with 2 homes he hasn't been able to unload for a year. His only recourse is to sell them both at tremendous losses since he's almost tapped out of his savings paying 2 adjustible rate mortgages. What made matters worse is he refused to lower the price. Now he's got no choice but to do just that. I feel bad for him but he was warned to get out while he was still ahead.

Good thinking on your part. People over there are now looking for bargains. the days of over-inflated real estate pricing is over.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:14 PM
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10. We close on a house in a couple of weeks...
..and we looked at a couple of flipped properties. It's obvious the booming housing market attracted a lot of amateurs into the flipping world. We looked at one place with an amazing kitchen...new granite countertops, SS appliances, custom cabinets....and no electrical outlets anywhere. We'd have to put the coffeemaker in the living room.

To me, it looks like the tickdown in the real estate market is going to take a lot of folks trying to ride the end of the wave with it. In D.C., where the market is expected to remain somewhat stable compared to the rest of the country, I have a friend who has had his real estate license for over a year and still has not closed one sale. The housing boom attracted so many folks into the real estate business that he has to compete with 10 or 12 other new guys just get a listing, whereas the more established agents have to do relatively little legwork since they have a track record.

The mortgage folks are definitely starting to feel it too. We had about four mortgage companies fighting over us for a vanilla 30 year fixed.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 02:01 AM
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12. My best friend is a Realtor in Northern Va
He has been in the business for 16 years and he is having a very bad year.

He has about 5 listings and none of them are selling because the sellers are not being realistic that the market has changed. Well, actually the one detached home listing just got a contract.

As a matter of fact, he has a condo rental he is going to put on the market but it will be refurbished from top to bottom and will be priced to move.
The condo market has been hit the hardest so far.
More inventory = more competition.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:21 PM
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16. warpy,
are you near brevard? i'm in satellite beach now and the topic has come up often amongst my old (native) friends... should they stay or should they go. having a house on the barrier island is a blessing and a curse.

in the neighborhood where grew up, houses sold in the upper 100s in 2003. at one point in 2005, these same houses approached 300k. now, they're back to the mid-low 200s. insurance is a whole other nightmare.

it's also common that people refi'd at least once in the boom.

to me, it feels like the old neighborhood is one hurricane away from many of these homes being upsidedown... which means what? people leave? people stay and go deeper into debt? no matter how you slice it, this old neighborhood is going into decline.

for people who've lived here the past 20 years, it's hard to imagine "decline" what with all the new Panera Bread stores. wtf.

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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:50 PM
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13. US housing market 'going bust'
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 12:50 PM by fedsron2us
The glut of unsold new houses in the United States rose to record levels in June while sales fell 3pc, heightening fears that America's property slowdown is accelerating into a full-fledged bust.

The US Commerce Department said yesterday that sales had dropped 11pc over the last year, led by a 29pc drop in the north east region.

The slight rebound in sales over the spring appears to have lost momentum, leaving a record overhang of new properties on the market equal to 6.1 months supply.


More doom and gloom at

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/28/ushouse28.xml

There is a very similar housing bubble here in the UK and in Ireland. The last one ended in a very nasty crash in the early 1990's which saw a lot of people get very badly burnt. When the US housing market tanks it is going to kick the legs from under the world economy so I expect history will be repeating itself for UK homeowners before very long.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:49 PM
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17. It's a shame...
.. in America, we're drilled drilled and drilled to fear TERROR.

Want to fear something, fear this. Our economy has been hanging by a thread for 6 years now. Bush has, in an "attempt" to solve what was a small problem in 2001, made a much bigger problem. Just as going into Iraq has made the terror problem worse, gutting mortgage requirements and printing money like there was no tomorrow did solve a small problem, but now the payback is going to be much, much worse.

A lot of folks around here like to shrug this off as tinfoil, I don't think they'll be shrugging in a year or two. We are headed for hard times. Don't buy anything you don't really need. Try to get out of debt. Buy some tuna, you might wish you had it. I'm serious, it is that bad.

Those of you who say "it can't happen because the government won't let it, they have tools at their disposal, etc,etc,etc" - I say to you "Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon"
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 07:04 PM
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18. A Recession is a reality that will have to be dealt with.
This time, it will be a much deeper one though.
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