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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:17 PM
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Changing Social Attitudes About Debt

There has been a slow, steady shift in consumer sentiment towards debt since the beginning of the year. For quite some time, many were debating whether it was even happening. At Thanksgiving, the first real hints of what was coming could be found in poor turnout for pre-Christmas sales. Still, most assumed consumers would come through at Christmas like "they always do". Except this time they didn't. Christmas Retail Sales Disappointed in spite of bigger than ever discounts. After Christmas sales disappointed as well.

Consumers Are Retrenching

It's now clear to everyone that Consumers Are Retrenching As The Economy Weakens.


Joi Freemont, a dentist in suburban Atlanta, doesn't have to look further than her appointment book to tell that people are worried about money.

Patients who used to get their teeth whitened all the time "now want to think about it a bit," she said. Braces? "People were getting them for the kids, for themselves, but now they're waiting," she added. And when people get cavities, they have their fillings done one a month, not five or six at a time, she said.

As a result, Freemont and her husband are worried their income could drop and are trying to be more prudent with their money. They're monitoring spending more closely and continuing to whittle down their credit card balances and her dental school debt, she said.
Professor Depew was talking about the above article in point number 3 of of Tuesday's Five Things.

And so the consumer balance sheet repair meme continues to grow. As those who have read Five Things over the past couple of years know, this is not a behavior that began in August or September as the credit crunch began to manifest, it's something that has been building for years.

Consider talk show host and television personality Dave Ramsey. Chances are pretty good that by now you know who Dave Ramsey is, but just in case, he's the host of a popular, widely-syndicated show, "The Dave Ramsey Show," that is heard on the more than 300 radio stations and seen on Fox Business Television.

Ramsey has been talking about the evils of debt and the virtues of debt-free living for more than a decade. In fact, his career began in 1992 when he began selling books on financial health following his own personal bankruptcy crisis in the late 1980s. But only recently has Ramsey really been able penetrate the mass public's consciousness. Why? It's not because Ramsey suddenly improved his message, it's because social mood finally reached a point where his message is not just acceptable but sought out.

The psychological factors that have made Ramsey a household name are the same factors now working against the ability of the Federal Reserve and the government to stimulate credit demand.
I found 26 different versions of the same story, in various newspapers or magazines. Here is a sampling of the headlines.

U.S. consumers pull back on spending, worry more about debt as economy weakens
Consumers are cutting back
US consumers worry about debt, pull back on spending
Consumers pull back as economy weakens
Americans buckle up for slowing economy
Empty Malls as Economic Fears Spread
Americans tightening their belts
Consumers now spending less, worrying more

More consumers start to show financial restraint
Changing Attitudes Are Now News

Even Starbucks is affected.

The AP is reporting Starbucks tests $1 coffee, free refills. "Faced with growing competition from cheaper rivals, Starbucks Corp. is selling small cups of drip coffee for $1 with free refills as part of a test in its hometown."

Coffee is a minor thing, but unwillingness to spend $5 for a cup of coffee had to start sometime.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/01/changing-social-attitudes-about-debt.html
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:09 PM
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1. The bankruptcy bill that the credit card companies had their pet legislators
pass ended up killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Now people are paying down debt as fast as they can and not racking up new debt. Now that the credit card companies can change your interest rate to 29%, even if you never pay late, because they deliberately don't credit your payment on time, even if they received it on time, or you somehow managed to have your water bill get to the utility company a day late, even though you never were late with a cerdit card payment--well, people sit up and take notice of that.

I have been paying off all my cards, so that by the end of the year I will be completely free of credit card debt. Citibank keeps calling and trying to get me to use my card. I laugh at them. They increased my credit limit just recently. I laugh at them. How can we win you back? they wonder. I laugh at them.

I bet a lot of people are doing just what I am doing, because the way the bankruptcy bill has stacked the deck against the consumer means that the convenience of a credit card is just not worth it any more.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:01 PM
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5. They messed with OUR government. They ate their cake and died of food poisoning.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:30 PM
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2. My sister gave me a set of Dave Ramsey's books for Christmas
I don't have any credit card debt (thank God!) but I do have a car loan and student loans, so I am following his advice. It is pretty sound so far.

I am hoping to be debt free in three years :D

The one thing I remember from his book is when he wrote something like "When people are not paying lenders, credit card companies, etc., they will have more money to buy things outright." I paraphrased, but you get the gist. The economy will eventually improve as we pay down our debts.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:55 PM
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3. Sigh...this guy again...
He also says gold is a bad investment but when you look at the price...it seems to have gone up. Looks like a pretty good investment to me. He also think you can get 12% from the stock market which is a lie.

You use credit cards to build credit then you can get things like insurance and a mortgage when you go to buy. It is a tool to help you get through life.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:04 AM
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4. It Is A Tool Used By Business
to enrich themselves at the expense of others.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:19 PM
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6. Sorry, but no dice
Commodities are NOT good investments. Yes, you will see short term spikes and falls. However, unless you really think you can market time, you will NOT make much money on gold over the long term. However, you will also not lose anything over the long term. It is called the beta of an investment (check it out).
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Foreverhappy Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:38 PM
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7. I regret having signed up for 5 credit cards
No matter how hard you try not to use them, the temptation always wins.
Debit cards and cash are the way to go.
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