Fictional Employment Theory

[Robert Oak]

Folks, Bill Gates is at it again and we have 3 bills introduced into congress to raise the H-1B guest worker Visa cap plus create an ill-conceived F-4. This is on the cusp of a recession with layoffs coming.

details in a blog post with telephone numbers to call.

Please help, it's despicable they would increase offshore outsourcing and labor arbitrage vehicles right now. One is Giffords (AZ), a Democrat, doing this.

[Earth Bound Misfit]

1. k &r n/t

[Robert Oak]

2. thx

I would cross post the entire blog story but the formatting so different.

I hope ya all visit EP, it's a general economics site but there are a lot of professional workers posting, hence this issue is a major threat for it means our jobs.

[2Design]

3. college funds go to others while our own are wanting and then

they are hired locally while our children go without and congress keeps buying their sob stories

[Robert Oak]

5. F-4

That's no joke and they are literally going to turn our entire higher educational system into a glorified green card machine.
Anyone with anything called "STEM" in any "degree" called a Bachelors or Masters (which can be trade school in other countries) gets an automatic green card, any employer. Anyone who graduates in anything from any "US" (not defined to be on US soil) school gets a green card, any employer.

Anyone can imagine what they will do to further lack of opportunities for higher education for Americans plus outrageously flood the labor market.

It's just unreal. Why pretend they represent America anymore since they are pushing a global labor arbitrage on steroids that will seriously harm Americans, their kids, their jobs, US workers.

[JDPriestly]

4. We had to call a computer technician again today.

He had a foreign accent.

My thought was, we Americans are not developing the expertise to handle our own technical problems with our own computers. All that know-how is being taught and developed overseas. Our kids are not working in that area. Oh, I know, a few are. But the bulk of talent in that area is being fostered in India, China, the Philippines, etc.

How is the US supposed to remain competitive if our citizens are not given employment opportunities or the financial incentive to become knowledgeable in science and technology?

In response to complaints about the economy, the knee-jerk response is "job training." Nonsense, all the job training in the world is worthless if there are no jobs available in the areas in which the training is focused -- or if there are jobs, but they are outsourced or given to non-Americans. I have a friend who is older, disabled and homeless. Just so happens she is quite savvy about computers. But don't think for a minute that an American employer is going to hire her if they can import some young, able-bodied temp from India or China to work for next to nothing.

These visas are betrayal of America. And we should let Gates and his corporate friends know that all the charitable work in the world will not redeem him for the horrible damage they are doing to American workers and the American economy.

[Robert Oak]

6. skills

It's really not a matter of skills. That's last years corporate lobbyist propaganda, it's about wages.

There are tons of highly skilled support people, sys admins working at the home depot.

I make a point to use technology where support only hires Americans and frankly, my webserver is all the better for it.
They know their stuff, know what they are talking about because some employers still care about quality and not trying to pay
support people the lowest wage possible.

[Quakerfriend]

10. When this happens, I always ask. "May I please be put through

to someone in America?"

[OhioChick]

7. K&R

:kick:

[OhioChick]

8. More on H1B's...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=367x8624


Also:

Study: There Is No Shortage of U.S. Engineers

A new study argues that the offshoring of U.S. jobs is caused by cost savings and not a shortage of U.S. engineers or better education in China. However, the study warns that the United States is losing its global edge.
A commonly heard defense in the arguments that surround U.S. companies that offshore high-tech and engineering jobs is that the U.S. math and science education system is not producing a sufficient number of engineers to fill a corporations needs.

However, a new study from Duke University calls this argument bunk, stating that there is no shortage of engineers in the United States, and that offshoring is all about cost savings.

This report, entitled "Issues in Science and Technology" and published in the latest National Academy of Sciences magazine further explores the topic of engineering graduation rates of India, China and the United States, the subject of a 2005 Duke study.

In the report, concerns are raised that China is racing ahead of both the United States and India in its ability to perform basic research. It also asserts that the United States is risking losing its global edge by outsourcing critical R&D and India is falling behind by playing politics with education. Meanwhile, it considers China well-positioned for the future.

Dukes 2005 study corrected a long-heard myth about India and China graduating 12 times as many engineers as the United States, finding instead that the United States graduates a comparable number.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Careers/Study-There-Is-No-Shortage-of-US-Engineers/

There is NO shortage, Bill. :mad:

[JDPriestly]

9. There is no shortage at this time, but

if companies continue to outsource and hire temps from overseas on special visas, American students will not be able to afford to pay for expensive training in the U.S. Jobs have to pay well to justify the cost of an American engineering degree. That was my point.

[OhioChick]

11. I completely agree with you

regarding future grads, however Gates knows damn well there is no shortage at the moment.