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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:13 AM
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Since When are "conservatives" Communists?
The regulations that kept banks, insurance companies and financial markets separate, were swept away by the legislation created by Phil Graham, and endorsed by John McCain and the rest of Gingrich congress that the REPUBLICANS controlled in the mid 90's. It is a CONSERVATIVE principle that regulation of business by the government is "bad" and unfettered capitalism is "good." I am all for business being free to operate with as little interference from government as possible - but regulations to protect consumers and the nation as a whole ARE needed, always have been and always will be.

It was the lack of regulation of the three industries along with the corresponding lifting if the transparency requirements in the mortgage industry, (again conservative push to remove "bad" government regulation) that set the stage for this economic disaster.

The problem has only been made worse by the HUGE deficits (and corresponding multiplication of the national debt) that has made the dollar tank, even as those at the top of the income scale (the top 1%) saw their incomes rise by double digit percentages while the average American saw their real income shrink.

And NOW that the biggest players in the economy are having the free market come and bite them in the ass, after years of private profit, the debt is about to be socialized. Don't take my word for it:

Jim Bunning (R-KY) says Paulson is acting like a socialist - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alpUsTv3.upI&refer=home

And that was just after the Fannie/Freddie bailouts. NOW after the government purchase of 79+% of AIG, the latest plan by these so called conservatives to literally take ALL the bad loans off the hands of Wall Street. How is THAT the free market? How is THAT capitalism? And then what? Do we think they will be properly chastened and be good corporate citizens operating withing sane self imposed parameters designed to keep this form ever happening again? Welfare and protection for the richest among us and the LARGEST companies is now capitalism, while enacting policies that would protect, or god forbid HELP the other 95% of the country, (DIRECTLY not through trickle down bullshit) is communist or socialist. These people aren't interested in any principle beyond protecting the very narrowest sliver of the richest people and companies in the nation.

The JOKE is that ANYONE who makes less than $250,000 a year (~95% of the country) would continue to vote for people who advocate these economic policies and laissez faire anti-regulatory business environment UNTIL it looks like the rich MIGHT loose some money. Then it's all hands on deck and let's bail them out, even if it means literally nationalizing a private company. The calls for "collective sacrifice" so we can all "get through this together" through the strength of the American will are very touching. Too bad these assholes don't want to share with everyone when there is a profit to be made. And NO I don't mean there should be some kind of national dividend or the end of private enterprise. Side note: Why is it OK for the Government to get into the insurance business by BUYING The worlds largest business, property and casualty insurance company, but not the medical insurance business?

The Joke is that John McCain is acting surprised that Wall Street would be rapacious. Hell now he wants us to elect him to "fix" something he and his buddy Phil Graham, and Republicans in general, broke in the first goddamn place. If the American people fall for this bullshit we are truly the dumbest nation on the planet, which is pretty scary since we possess enough weaponry to destroy th planet - not in theory, not in an existential sense, not philosophically: literally. It's will be like realizing that the 6'4" 300 Pound retarded kid in your class actually has all those guns and knives he waxes rhapsodic about so often. Sure he's mostly sweet but what happens when he gets mad?


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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:38 AM
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1. They're not - they're fascists. nt
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:15 PM
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2. No, a communist would nationalize the means of production and distribution.
And not just subsidize them while they still remain privately owned.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 07:26 PM
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3. Maybe you didn't get the memo: WE WILL OWN AIG (79% Share holder)
As the majority share holder the U.S. Government will OWN AIG, the largest Insurance company in the world. I would say that is owning the means of production and distribution.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:05 AM
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4. Perhaps you haven't been watching but executive pay will not be messed with
and I'm certain that just as with the S&L deal, we will buy high and sell low to cronies. After a good deal of that money dissappears, and a good deal of it is returned as campaign donations and undervalued real estate.

Socialism my ass. I've been to socialist countries... LOTS of them. In socialist countries they don't have homeless starving people with no healthcare. They just don't have them.

When it's announced that we will guarantee housing, food, and healthcare for all of our citizens by seizing and liquidating AIG - THEN that would be a socialist move. This is just another looting of the treasury by our oligarchy. Matter of fact to pay for this bullshit they're already talking about cutting government programs. I'm sure that that school lunches and scholarships will be among the first to be sacrificed for the good of the rich. Socialism my ass.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:11 PM
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7. Temporarily throwing money at a company via buying shares is not true nationalization.
Re-read your Manifesto.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:30 AM
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8. So when I "throw money" at a car dealer, and drive off the lot:
I DON'T own the car? Hmmm... Thanks for the education in economics.
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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:27 PM
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9. They did nationalize the mortgage companies though...
...Just not the banks and the insurance companies. Damn would I like to see the latter go into public hands!
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:56 AM
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5. Praytell,
why did you think rest of the world (and large part of US itself, especially the young) feel that the US is the greatest threat to global security and the whole planet? :)

"we are truly the dumbest nation on the planet, which is pretty scary since we possess enough weaponry to destroy th planet - not in theory, not in an existential sense, not philosophically: literally. It's will be like realizing that the 6'4" 300 Pound retarded kid in your class actually has all those guns and knives he waxes rhapsodic about so often. Sure he's mostly sweet but what happens when he gets mad?"

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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:45 AM
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6. We obviously agree - and I knew why...
To be honest I was just journaling, but since you can't create a journal here w/ out it being "published" you all got to see just one of MANY thoughts I have about how dumb the American people have become. I just got fed up by the whole thing and had to spew it out somewhere......

Another of my thoughts to be honest is that the education system in this country was, and is being, purposely destroyed because it is easier to push an ignorant populace into legal looking dictatorship, than an educated one.
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