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mars_clover Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:41 PM
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So what's next after the manual jobs are gone?
From:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/26/news/economy/greenspan_jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes

This is because the U.S. economy is producing more "conceptual," technology-driven jobs, while lower paid jobs that require mainly manual skills are disappearing as U.S. companies find it impossible to compete with overseas firms that pay much lower wages.

So what happens when U.S. companies find it impossible to compete with overseas firms that learn how to do "conceptual technology-driven jobs"?

Already lots of "hi-tech" jobs are ending up in India.

Clover

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waterman Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:47 PM
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1. People finally take to the streets in revolt, like they should've done
three years ago.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:55 PM
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2. Then we are all rich and we live in eden haven't you herd
the shrub?
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:56 PM
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3. A commentator this morning
said that "free market conservatives" (such as executives and "conceptual" high-tech workers) are starting to balk at the migration of jobs to lower-paid workers overseas and here on HB-1s.

The reason is ... because ... they are starting to see people "like them" lose their jobs as their companies pursue workers overseas.

Nothing like a whiff of brimstone to make the whole world kin ( -- George Ade).
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mars_clover Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:57 PM
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4. You know it, bud!
Just as soon as they start outsourcing CEO and Accountant jobs we'll see some action!

Clover
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glasalle Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:53 PM
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10. Accounting jobs are leaving too
We are seeing all sorts of financial services jobs leave now too ( A few weeks ago, 60 Minutes showed tax returns being done in India). The refrain is, if it can be done by phone or on a computer, kiss your job goodbye.

I would like to see some corporations offshore their CEOS, but unfortunately they control their own jobs. But if we ever see this happen, you can bet the CEOS will beat their way to the head of the line of those screaming about offshoring.
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waterman Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 07:07 PM
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5. Nice quote at the bottom, there partner
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 07:20 PM
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6. hopefully they will outsource
the political posts.
Then you'll see the fury.

dp
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:58 AM
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7. I heard today that this is a great opportunity
I listen to a financial program during my AM commute. These guys today were going on how "while we hate to see anybody lose their jobs, and we'd like to see jobs stay in the US, that the globalization of work provides US companies with new opportunities and this is just a painful adjustment period".

Well I wanted to reach through the radio and smack them in the head.



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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:32 AM
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8. When it all becomes relative.....the sheeple will awaken...oh no!!!
not my job!!!!!

For a revolt to happen...it will have to get a lot worse..That may be the only way a change comes about.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:28 PM
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9. I wonder what Greenspan thinks people should train for....
there seems to be NO good wage jobs coming
in the near future. He avoids naming what
training should consist of, so does AWOL.
The article from Time shows that most job
growth will be in low paying service jobs
with little or no benefits.
..........................................
Time Magazine Nov 24, 2003
“Where The New Jobs Are”
(Predicted growth between 2000/2010)

Food preparation and serving workers (673,000)
Retail salespeople (510,000)
Cashiers (474,000)
Office clerks, (general) (430,000)
Security guards (391,000)
Waiters and waitresses (364,000)
Truck drivers (346,000)
Nursing aides and orderlies (323,000)
Janitors and cleaners (317,000)
The other six are...

Customer service representatives (631,000)
Registered nurses (561,000)
Computer support specialists (490,000)
Computer software engineers (380,000)
General operations managers (363,000)
Postsecondary teachers (315,000)

Top 10 jobs with the largest projected losses,
2000/2010

Farmers and ranchers (-328,000)
Order clerks (-71,000)
Tellers (-59,000)
Insurance-claim & policy processing clerks (-58,000)
Word processors and typists (-57,000)
Sewing-machine operators (-51,000)
Dishwashers (-42,000)
Switchboard operators & answering services (-41,000)
Loan interviewers and clerks (-38,000)
Computer operators (-33,000)


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:57 PM
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11. Military training. That will be all that's left if they get 4 more years.
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mars_clover Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:08 PM
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14. Maybe the blue collar man will have the last laugh?
I remember when I was growing up my folks stressed to me to get a job where you used your head, and not your hands. Greenspan seems to buy into this delusion, to, claiming that new "conceptual" jobs will still be created here.

Frankly, I doubt it. If anything, I think "conceptual" jobs are the easiest to transport offshort. An idea can be made anywhere. It is silly to think the U.S. has a lock on smart, innovative people. Engineers and software writers can design anywhere in the world and communicate those ideas to anywhere else in the world almost instantly.

No, I think the safest route is to learn a trade. When your car needs fixing, no one is going to ship it to India for repairs. When your home's air conditioner breaks, no one is going to ship it overseas to get fixed, either. If you need a new sidewalk poured, masons in India won't be of much use.

The old logic that the work you can do with your mind is worth more than the work you can do with your head may be on its way out. The blue collar man may hold the last card.

Clover
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:45 PM
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12. The Washington Post Justifies The Jobless Recovery
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:46 PM by mhr
Here is today's WP editorial and my letter to the editor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50822-2004Jan26.html?na...

The Jobless Recovery
Washington Post Editorial
Tuesday, January 27, 2004; Page A16

AS THEY AWAIT the results of the New Hampshire primary, Democrats should take a lesson from the nation's central bankers. Out on the campaign trail, the candidates (with the honorable exception of Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut) have been blaming the "jobless recovery" on President Bush, the trade system and the new phenomenon of "offshoring" service jobs to India. In rather less arresting tones, meanwhile, the Federal Reserve has been trying to explain why this blame is exaggerated. As Chairman Alan Greenspan said yesterday, the United States has lost jobs to foreigners before, yet it has always created others. The Fed committee that sets interest rates meets today and tomorrow, and will demonstrate one of the reasons why the new protectionism is misguided.

Snip ......

It's true that the shift of service jobs to countries such as India, like other trade-related dislocation, adds to the temporary pain of structural unemployment. But, as Mr. Greenspan says, new jobs will be created. If a U.S. firm shifts employment abroad, the savings flow back to the United States in the form of lower prices for consumers and higher dividends for shareholders; the consumers and shareholders will direct their new spending power at things that create employment. Meanwhile, the fall in prices will allow the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates lower, boosting the job-creation engine. At its meeting today and tomorrow, the Fed is almost certain to keep short-term interest rates at a rock-bottom 1 percent because forces such as "offshoring" are keeping inflation in check despite a rebounding economy. Offshoring, like trade, creates winners and losers, which is why open trade should be accompanied by social safety nets. But the winners will outnumber the losers, because the adjustment creates new efficiencies. Each worker can produce more, meaning that he or she can be paid more. Do the Democrats really mean to oppose that?

Snip ......

WP Editors,

The WP editorial from the Tuesday, January 27, 2004 edition titled The jobless Recovery is one of the most insensitive and callous missives printed.

To suggest that a jobless recovery is good mystifies me. To further suggest that the Bush Administration is not culpable is mind boggling.

I have been unemployed for 43 months. I have sent 1,430 resumes out the door. My resume is posted on 105 job boards. I have over networked all known acquaintances. Regrettably, I have not had a serious employment inquiry in two years. Past colleagues are having similar experiences.

Some would claim that one must not have enough education or experience. I must assume that a Masters in Business Administration and a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering are irrelevant today. An experienced Naval Officer just does not rate any consideration. Honorably discharged veterans are of no consequence. And, experienced commercial pilots are too trivial to mention.

Sadly, the Washington Post editors are truly out of touch with the economy. If a dose of reality is needed, come spend a week with me. After experiencing the umpteenth pot of beans, the Spartan accommodations, the threadbare clothes, the ever diminishing savings account, and repeated job rejections, one just might come to the conclusion that a jobless recovery is not good or justifiable.

Sincerely,
MHR
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rapier Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:06 PM
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13. John Laws solution
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 07:10 PM by rapier
All unemployed should open an ETrade account and start day trading stocks and/or start buying residential real estate and start flipping it. The added demand will add booster rockets to the already overheated markets and make them climb higher and higher making everyone rich.

Jobs and certainly wages are for suckers and losers. Wealth is created in the new age by the endless inflation of asset prices. The term wage slave had real meaning back when it was invented in the 1800's. Wages are for slaves. In the new oppotunity society we won't need no stinking wages.

The sky is really the limit. DOW 36,000. Pathetic. How about DOW 360,000. Do you realize how rich everyone will be when the DOW reaches the 6 figure mark? Or how wonderful it will be when every homeowner can borrow $5000 dollars on new home equity every month?

Think about it. It's a beautiful thing. The rest of the world can work, fools, while we consume and grow rich. What possible downside can there be to endless inflation of assets? (forget John Law please)
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:17 PM
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15. Just caught on Lou Dobbs, legal jobs are being outsourced to India
Hmmm, doctor, lawyer - oops no guess not.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 09:53 PM
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16. Did Lou tell you...
that offshored jobs don't adhere to US privacy laws? How could they possibly be enforced? I know this has been the case in outsourced IT jobs but what's to prevent it from happening in Medical, Legal, financial...?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:36 PM
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18. Yep, that's come up a couple of times. Must be why Shrub is also
pushing for torte reform on top of bankrupcy reforms. Think about it, your investment portfolio, your legal info, your credit card numbers, credit history, SS# all out there with no privacy protection. Without any laws protecting privacy, how much do you think they'll be investing in data security issues?
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dave sharman Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:25 PM
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17. jobs that are left
Maybe when the only available jobs left are in politics Washington will get the message that something better be done because there won't be any taxpayers to pay the trillions of dollors they spend
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