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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:35 AM
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New Republican talking point. "What about ME?"
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 11:38 AM by Joanne98
"What about the 92% of homeowners who are paying their mortgages?"

CNBC FOX and CNN. Are allowing the Republicans to display their deep sense of self-pity all over the tee vee. The republicans want the country to fail and I guess the media does now too.

WHAT PART OF CONTAGION DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

We are in desperate need of MEDIA REFORM!

The Republicans have almost every single radio station in the country. WHY do they have to have the tee vee too? Why is the media allowing them to do this?

CBS is almost worthless..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CBS

Is this the future for all broadcast media? Do they really want to go the way of the banks?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:40 AM
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1. Healthcare? What about all the healthy people? Shouldn't they get paid for being healthy?
My goodness. This is about trying to plug the leaks in the boat so that everyone in the boat gets to the shore before it sinks.

There is no graciousness in THAT party.

None at all.



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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:43 AM
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2. It's actually a fairly clever way to stir up resistance to Obama's plans.
Of course, I agree with their underlying belief that most people will look out for #1 when under enough stress.

Of course, no one likes to point out that preventing those 8% of houses from plummeting to the depths would protect the 92%'s home values.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:45 AM
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4. They're stirring up resentment.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:44 AM
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3. Aren't you just a little upset though?
I didn't buy a place because prices were too expensive.

Now I'm being asked to bail out both the bankers who made irresponsible loans, and people who took loans that were over their heads.

And this will keep prices above where I can comfortably afford to buy.

I wish we could nationalize failing banks and put homes into the hands of people who can afford them at the prices they should fall to without these bailouts.

That is what the part of me that would like justice wants.

The rational part of me knows it could hurt too much.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:50 AM
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5. But it's more complicated than that. I agree that houses are to high
but that was due to speculation. There are 19 million empty homes. Some of them are selling for under 1000$ each. But you have to pay back taxes. It's not true that there are no bargains. People are buying foreclosed houses everyday. This bill won't do to much to hold up prices but it will slow the foreclosures. It's kinda hard to explain. The housing market has been rigged for a long time.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:17 PM
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12. Not where I am.
A one bedroom still costs $300,000. And that would be a condo with maintenance fees.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:26 PM
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16. Go to the auctions. They're at the courthouse.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:52 AM
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6. I'm upset, but I focus my anger on the source of the problem.
Yes, people who bought houses well beyond their means are idiots, but nothing will come of destroying them except for a fleeting sense of retribution.

I'm more interested in going after the bankers that pushed sub-prime mortgages and the ad men who preyed on the vulnerabilities of the working poor.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 PM
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15. I am with you on this.
The "con" artists that talked them into getting the loans, and who falsified the paper work so people who really couldn't afford the loan or meet qualifications for a loan, are the ones that need to be arrested and prosecuted! I know a person who was one of those who "conned" poor people into getting loans. He is now selling door to door because he lost his job, so there is some justice, but he took advantage of poor people in order to make a profit off of them, and that is a criminal act in my book!
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Mr. Hyde Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:27 PM
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17. That's kind of bullshit. I doubt there are too many borrowers who didn't know
what "adjustable rate" meant or what "prepayment penalty" meant. This wasn't even the whole problem though, the rest of the problem occured when the rug got yanked out from under them, when their jobs got outsourced or insourced due to ridiculous free trade agreements signed in the middle of the night without congressional debate.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:54 AM
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8. You've got a point.
How many greedy, corrupt and irresponsible people and institutions do WE have to bailout?

I do pay my mortgage, I do pay my taxes, I do pay all my bills, I do NOT have a boat or an SUV or a snowmobile or a second home or take vacations to the Bahamas ...

Where is the assistance for my family for doing all the right things in the most responsible manner?
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davikim Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 PM
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13. maybe your points is
that your reward for doing the right thing is the doing of the right thing. If we are all our brother's keeper then we need to take care of the bright brother and the idiot brother, the brother that bought into the American dream of home ownership and Bush's ownership society. Hell, if everyone were as smart as we are, well, who would we laugh at?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:56 AM
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9. Something has to be done to stop the spiral
If you have not already been hit by the slide down that spiral it will eventually get to you unless something is done.

This is childish shit, he got some and I didn't mentality. Wa-aaa!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 PM
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14. My problem is that prices are not falling to affordability levels
and won't if the bailouts work.

So the bailout I'm paying for keeps me from buying a place.

Oh the irony.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:54 AM
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7. Playing on peoples inability to see the bigger picture
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:58 AM
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10. Sure 92% are still paying their payments BUT what percentage of
them are struggling to do it? That is the point. My families rental house is one missed payment from being behind. So far so good but we know that it is touch and go. Those pugs are not going to win on this argument.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:00 PM
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11. True. I don't even believe the 92% number.
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