Obama Fast Tracks Offshore Outsourcing

[Robert Oak]

Folks I'm not making this up. From Obama Fast Tracks Offshore Outsourcing

The United States has announced a new programme to fast-track high-technology trade with India from which General Electric's India division will be the first Indian company to benefit.

"This is an important step in enabling a more rapid and efficient flow of sensitive technology between India and the United States," US Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke announced at the US-India Business Council's 34th Anniversary "Synergies Summit" Wednesday.

"This is an important step in enabling a more rapid and efficient flow of sensitive technology between India and the United States," Locke said.

"It also is a significant effort to build trust between the United States and India. We're looking forward to reciprocal actions from our partner," he said encouraging other Indian firms also to take advantage of the programme.

Raw link to article:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Foreign-Trade/US-fast-tracks-hi-tech-trade-with-India-GE-India-first-beneficiary/articleshow/4669836.cms


To blog post to discuss and add:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/obama-fast-tracks-offshore-outsourcing

[shireen]

1. this has to be a joke

:wtf:

[Robert Oak]

4. I wish it were

but it's fact. On top of it Hillary Clinton is calling for a new "trade 3.0" to "vastly accelerate" trade (read offshore outsourcing of your job) with India.

Note they choose high tech, the big labor arbitrage bulls eye.

NASSCOM, India BPO jacks up their own GDP about 5% by offshore outsourcing. That's pure worker displacement, i.e. trading you for a cheaper worker.

[sandnsea]

7. It's intentional distortion is what it is

See my post below. There is undoubtedly going to be trade agreements that aren't helpful to US workers, but this isn't one of them. This helps Indian companies implement the newest technologies which is needed if their people are ever going to be lifted out of poverty.

[Robert Oak]

11. no you do not understand what "technologies" means

That's not finished goods, that is moving certain projects which were deemed critical to national security offshore. That is not trade, which should be finished goods, done by U.S. workers.

I think you should disclose how you continually try to post misinformation about trade, offshore outsourcing per your own agenda also.

As I recall you try to repress pretty much any article, piece of intel on these topics.

[sandnsea]

13. Some will be, some won't

They're technologies so the people of India can create goods, most of which will stay in their country or be sold to other undeveloped countries. To improve the quality of life all over the world.

Yes, some will make it back here, but much of it won't.

No I do not try to repress anything. I try to bring balance, which is sorely missing at this site and gets worse every day.

[Dogmudgeon]

14. The law is explicit -- it's for ITEMS, not people.

Go to http://www.bis.doc.gov/internationalprograms/validated_end_user.htm">the website and check it for yourself.

There are also e-mail links if you want to look into it in more depth. A call to your local congressperson or senator will also get you answers.

--d!

[truedelphi]

31. Sandandsea is a shill for a lot of dis and mis information

Doesn't matter whether it is this discussion or several others.

[unlawflcombatnt]

34. A Corporate Shill from the start

She's even worse on illegal immigration

Sandnsea has no concern whatsoever for American workers. She's demonstrated this repeatedly in years of posting on DU.

She's a Corporate shill from the get-go. She's an unabashed supporter of the Corporate Cheap Labor lobby, and suppression of American employment and wages. She consistently advocates the outsourcing of American jobs, and insourcing of cheap labor to displace Americans from jobs and suppress wages.

[sandnsea]

9. Locke Initiative to Aid American Business

You will never see Robert Oak post anything positive about the government.

http://www.commerce.gov/NewsRoom/PressReleases_FactSheets/PROD01_008100

[girl gone mad]

21. And you'll never see..

sandnsea post anything negative about big corporations.

[sandnsea]

23. lol, more than you do

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x66140#66168

I just have this little thing about the truth.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. "Fast Track" left the station a decade ago.

:shrug:

[endless october]

3. outsourcing is what destroyed our economy in the first place.

[Robert Oak]

6. yup

China is slated to become the world's leading economy and it's all in a matter of 9 years. Less than a decade and the United States just handed our economy to them through bad trade deals.

Now they want to finish the job by handing entire service sectors (i.e. all tech, I.T. Science, Engineering, Medical) to India.

[Vincardog]

16. They already handed IT to India, now India is fighting with the prison labor in China over it

[sandnsea]

5. VEU companies import US technologies

Chemicals, electronic components, missile technology

http://www.bis.doc.gov/internationalprograms/veu-qanda.htm

[Robert Oak]

10. sorry, that's not the agenda

What they mean by "technologies" is they are offshore outsourcing the projects. That is not the same as "imports" of finished goods.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Protecting Jobs in the US, As Obama Said He Would

Apparently, I live in an alternate universe. To me, this looks like Bankers uber Alles.

[truedelphi]

32. I am living in that alternate universe with you.

Or maybe when he said workers, he automatically thought of people in other countries, cuz this nation ain't seen full employment in a long time.

:shrug:

[Dogmudgeon]

12. You could jump on a bench and rant. Or you could look up the law itself.

http://www.bis.doc.gov/internationalprograms/validated_end_user.htm">Validated End-User Program at the US Department of Commerce

It's a trade law, no matter what the "Economic Populist" says. It helps companies ship goods faster and with less paperwork -- goods that American labor makes. Yeah, it's initially India-centric. But If you want to work to stop offshoring jobs, go after H1b and the incentives for financial offshoring (example: MAI).

The Right regularly makes up stories to support its lies. If we start doing the same thing, we'll be committing political -- and moral -- suicide. Good-bye high ground, and not a single job saved.

--d!

[Robert Oak]

15. no that's "technologies"

"technologies" means things like know how, intellectual property, project proposals, etc...

this is directly related to offshore outsourcing, it's not "finished goods".

Yes, H-1B, L-1 are the "offshore outsourcing" Visas, but you also need to be very diligent on trade. India likes to cast H-1B, L-1 as trade. They try to claim it's a trade issue and they are trying very hard to get these foreign guest worker Visas into WTO GATS mode 4.

They try to cast the entire topic as trade, instead of what it really is, which is offshore outsourcing of U.S. jobs and literally displacing U.S. workers with Indian foreign guest workers.

Which leads to yet another topic....how can a foreign controlled corporation operating in the United States hire almost exclusively workers from one national origin? In other words, U.S. workers get discriminated against at these companies, it's "H-1B, L-1 only need apply".

Just another angle on the entire thing. But believe me, this "law" you point to is not what you think it is...it's so G.E. can get government contracts and they are bucking to Stimulus projects, i.e. "smart grid", turn around and offshore those projects to India...and then turn around and import the finished technology back into the United States...

all the while circumventing using U.S. workers for the U.S. funded project.

[sandnsea]

17. There are 6.7 billion people on the planet

200 million US workers simply cannot make the products to improve the lives of all those people. We produce technology and that's what we sell.

[Robert Oak]

18. that's absurd

firstly there are only so many tech workers and secondly U.S. technical professionals are being labor arbitraged. That not only hurts entire occupational sectors in the United States, i.e. the U.S. middle class, it also is a long term bad trade strategy and we already see the results with China.

I have to wonder why you are on DU when you are so anti U.S. labor, U.S. middle class and even deny the reality of current trade deficits, how China is about to be the dominant world economy and the U.S. handed it to them on a silver platter, how China now owns the U.S. through U.S. treasuries (holding U.S. debt) and how we just had the U.S. auto industry implode...

I mean what kind of evidence does it take for people to realize these policies are hollowing out the U.S. to the point the entire U.S. middle class is wiped out and the United States is sliding down to 3rd world status on a global economic scale.

That's the prediction at this point by most economists, the U.S. will lose it's dominant status as a global economy.

Why do we have people promoting that agenda...that the U.S. economy should continue on this path of destruction...esp. on a site labeled "Democratic"?

[sandnsea]

19. It's not because we sold technology

It's because people like you keep trying to protect only US labor without demanding the trade agreements protect global labor. China wouldn't be able to produce goods at such a cheap rate if they couldn't exploit labor and the environment. But you keep helping Republicans turn the attention of workers to protectionism when what they need to be doing is standing in solidarity with workers all over the world. All boats rise together. ALL boats, all over the world.

[corpseratemedia]

20. i think you mischaracterize his argument that protecting american workers puts hurts other workers

the world over. That is a false argument .

Then according your own premise its actually india and china have even more responsibility to RAISE THE WAGES of their slave workers to that of the former US middle class (which in fact, to "level" the playing field they should) in order "lift everyone's boat."

Americans have a right like anyone else to defend a stable standard of living and to not fall into destitution. get used to it. third wave is anti-worker bullshit.

[sandnsea]

22. I think you micharacterize my argument

because I never said protecting american workers hurts other workers in the world.

I said it's a useless fight because the real problem as YOU said, is the need to raise the wages of the slave workers in China and India so that there is greater global worker prosperity. That will take global worker solidarity - not this protectionist bullshit being spewed where the far left and far right meet.

[Hello_Kitty]

26. 'Protectionism' is a corporatist talking point

If you really want to persuade us of your sincerity, then you need to stop using the language of globalists. Furthermore, the notion that the global corporations are going to allow workers to unite in solidarity is a joke. Never going to happen. Globalism has been designed to allow materials, goods, and capital to flow freely across borders but NOT workers. The ONLY recourse workers have (and it's becoming incresingly limited) is to lean on their own governments to protect their wages and standards of living.

[blue97keet]

27. The globalists would just love a world-wide slave market as well

[blue97keet]

28. What sort of hocus pocus would raise the wages of slave workers

in China when globalist pigs are profiting from slave wages?

[Hello_Kitty]

25. But 200 million U.S. consumers have been driving the world economy

Like or not, right or wrong, that's been the reality. When they suppressed our wages and then pulled the credit rug out from under us, the global economy tanked. Globalists are great at coming up with fanciful economic theories but they suck at basic math.

[westerebus]

24. End user certification.

That little phrase is very important. Most if not all of the time it is a stipulation for defense technology.

Smart bombs require end user certification(EUC). Advanced radar and counter radar systems require EUC's. Aircraft component technology like vertical thrust engines on the F35 require EUCs.

From where I sit, it looks like we about to help India enter the military end of the industrial complex in a very big way.

Geo politics that places military planing ahead of human rights, and I will include freedom, democracy, jobs, decent wages, health care, education, and economic stability here, is the under side of American foreign policy.

Funny how some things don't change.

[GliderGuider]

29. Again it's the irresistable force of realpolitik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=114&topic_id=66401&mesg_id=66423

[truedelphi]

33. Thanks for letting that discussion come to light. Did

Not spend time on here on Monday and it was an interesting topic.

[leftofthedial]

30. adios more murkan jobs