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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:52 PM
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The President has announced a "million solar roofs" initiative.
The roofs are supposed to be installed by 2010, so we'd better get cracking.

http://www.nwcouncil.org/Library/1998/98-19.htm">Solar Energy Systems for the Million Solar Roofs Initiative

They are supposed to produce 3000 Mega"watts" of power, these million solar roofs.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:54 PM
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1. But but Raygun removed solar panels from the White House, and he was
a cracking genius!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:55 PM
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2. We probably already have a million Solar roofs.
Thanks to Gore.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:55 PM
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3. That was mean. Just plain mean.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:56 PM
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4. Indeed it was.
Yesterday my Governor signed a bill to eliminate 80% of climate change gases by 2050.

He'll be 102 years old at that time, assuming he lives.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:57 PM
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5. What Ever happened to Bush Mars Initiative.......



:crazy: :crazy: :wow: :scared:
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:58 PM
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6. The solar panels are to be installed on Mars.
to warm the place up.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:58 PM
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7. I don't know, but one hopes the spacecraft will have a solar roof.
That would mean we would have only 999,999 roofs to go.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:59 PM
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8. shhh. dont remind him.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:59 PM
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9. They can power his daddy's thousand points of light n/t
n/t
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:13 PM
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12. Clinton's daddy? Sometimes it pays to read instead of knee-jerk.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:22 PM
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15. I'll have what he's having!
:toast:

--p!
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:09 PM
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10. Is he going to come over in his hydrogen car and install them himself?
Incidentally, if you think hydrogen will replace gasoline, google 'Alice Friedemann' and read her article about hydrogen. It's shocking, I tell you.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:10 PM
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11. Only ONE PERSON read the article?
Get on the frickin' BALL, people!

Read the article!

--p!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:20 PM
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13. Greenwashing his "Legacy" at the last minute, I see?
Or does the "Million Solar Roofs Initiative" really work the same way as "Clear Skies" and "Healthy Forest"?

Oh.

My.

God.

I knew it.

Bush wants to force us all to live underground.

He's one of The Crab People!



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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:45 PM
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18. I didn't think Clinton needed to "greenwash" his legacy. I guess this posted required the ability to
READ!!

Nick kneejerk though.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:53 PM
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19. Yeah, yeah yeah... I got it thirty seconds later.


Ow!

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:21 PM
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14. Hey... wait a minute... Oh, you!
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 03:23 PM by IanDB1
Solar Energy Systems for the Million Solar Roofs Initiative

June 1998 | document 98-19

The goal of the Million Solar Roofs Initiative, announced by President Clinton in June of 1997, is to install 3,000 megawatts of solar energy systems on one million United States buildings by 2010. This initiative is intended to increase the demand for, and to lower the cost of solar photovoltaic systems, solar water heating systems and solar space heating systems, located on or near residential, commercial or industrial buildings. Doing so will help slow greenhouse gas emissions, expand available energy supply options, create high technology jobs, and improve US competitiveness in the solar energy arena. This paper describes the solar energy systems available to meet the goal of the Initiative.

More:
http://www.nwcouncil.org/Library/1998/98-19.htm


See also:

For Immediate Release:
8/21/2006

Million Solar Roofs Bill (SB 1) Signed Into Law

LOS ANGELES—After three years, the Million Solar Roofs bill, SB 1, authored by Senator Kevin Murray, was signed into law this morning by Governor Schwarzenegger at a ceremony held at the new solar powered CalTrans building in downtown Los Angeles.

“Turning the vision of building a million solar roofs into state law has been a long-time coming,” said Bernadette Del Chiaro, Clean Energy Advocate with Environment California, the leading sponsor of the Million Solar Roofs bill. “But in the end, this law was worth the wait and the fight that it took to turn a great idea into a landmark law.”

More:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/newsroom/energy/energy-program-news/million-solar-roofs-bill-sb-1-signed-into-law

"We will have so-lagh pan-nills and trees and things of this nature."

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:27 PM
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16. It was an unfunded program
*yawn*
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:18 PM
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20. Oh. You mean it was just talk? Why does "just talk" sound so, um, well, familiar?
Where have I heard lots of stuff about "brazillions of solar roofs?"

Hmmm....

Let me think...

I'm sure you will have lots of excuses two years from now or ten years from now about the failure of Governor Hydrogen Hummer's plan for brazillions of solar roofs.

I can see it now: "Cheney was Vice President!" or some such other stuff.

I would love to wait around to see you holding Governor Corzine's feet to the fire with respect to his proposal to reduce climate change gases by a brazillion percent by 2050, but I'd hate to see you offer your tender sensibilities to a 102 year old man, and so it's good that I, like many other people on the planet will be dead by then.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:29 PM
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22. We were supposed to have 1000 nuclear reactors in the US by 2000
but more were canceled than completed (stranded costs $112 billion) and none have been ordered since 1973.

Dick Cheney can't even get one built even with $12 brazillian bucks of ill-gotten GOP/Nuclear Energy Institute subsidies.

Nuclear power is a *failure* and cannot be counted on to combat global warming.

QED!!!1111

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:45 PM
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23. Who exactly claimed there would be 1000 nuclear reactors by 2000?
???
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:50 PM
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24. That was the AEC/ERDA projection back in the late '60's early '70's
n/t
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:01 PM
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25. Um, gee, um...hmmm....let's see...
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 06:04 PM by NNadir
Nuclear power started being hyped in 1954 the year the solar cell was invented.

It now produces 20% of the national electricity and internationally it produces almost 30 exajoules of primary energy, being the world's largest source of climate change free gas primary energy by far. If US nuclear reactors were shut tomorrow, the entire country would be thrown into a panic and the lights would go out in many states.

If, on the other hand, all of the world's solar facilities were shut tomorrow, nobody would notice.

One would have hoped for 1000 reactors by now (the actual number is around 440) but for many years people were viciously and irrationally attacking nuclear energy because they had very poor comparative and analytical skills.

During that same period, there have been lots of people cheering for solar energy, very loudly, decade after decade after decade. Still the impact of solar energy remains largely invisible in energetic terms.

If rationality had substituted for public ignorance and 1000 nuclear reactors were built, each of them at about 3000MW(th), they would produce close to 100 exajoules of primary energy each year, close to the consumption of the entire United States from all sources.

Climate change would far less exigent.

Close to 300 reactors are either on order, under construction or proposed. These reactors, if built, would provide about 20 exajoules of energy worldwide each year. This is five times as large as all of the non-hydro renewables, assuming 33% efficiency - and including the definition of trash burning as "renewable" - combined.

You have a very, very, very, very, very strange definition of failure, especially for a guy who comes all the time to post about wonderful solar energy. You cannot now, and will not next year or the year after that be able to point to a single exajoule of solar electricity on the entire planet. That was a fact four years ago, that is a fact today, and that will be a fact four years from now.



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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:37 PM
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17. If Dubya is talking about solar roofs, then I figure we can expect ...
holes in our roofs. ;-)
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:19 PM
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21. Regrettably this is about the last honestly elected President of the United States.
It is not about the "occupant."
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