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environmentalist Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 12:13 AM
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NOAA: Global Warming is Real
NOAA - The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Laboratory issued a report today verifying that 2006 was one of the warmest years on record and that last year's El Niño event was unlikely to have been the cause for the increase in temperature. As such, this report contradicts the assertion that the increase in temperature is due to natural phenomena and states, in writing, that global warming is primarily caused by an increase in greenhouse gases...

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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:23 PM
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1. Scientists Fear Ice Caps Melting Faster Than Predicted (Guardian)
Scientists fear ice caps melting faster than predicted


Paul Brown in Ilulissat
Friday September 7, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


The Greenland ice cap is melting so quickly that it is triggering earthquakes as pieces of ice several cubic kilometres in size break off.
Scientists monitoring events this summer say the acceleration could be catastrophic in terms of sea-level rise and make predictions this February by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change far too low.

The glacier at Ilulissat, which supposedly spawned the iceberg that sank the Titantic, is now flowing three times faster into the sea than it was 10 years ago.


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Robert Correll, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, said in Ilulissat today: "We have seen a massive acceleration of the speed with which these glaciers are moving into the sea. The ice is moving at two metres an hour on a front 5km <3 miles> long and 1,500 metres deep. That means that this one glacier puts enough fresh water into the sea in one year to provide drinking water for a city the size of London for a year."
Prof Correll is visiting Greenland as part of a symposium of religious, scientific, and political leaders to look at the problems of the island, which has an ice cap 3km thick containing enough water to raise worldwide sea levels by seven metres.

Today leaders of Christian, Shia, Sunni, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist and Jewish religions took a boat to the tongue of the glacier for a silent prayer for the planet. They were invited by Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of 250 million Orthodox Christians worldwide.

Prof Correll, director of the global change programme at the Heinz Centre in Washington, said the estimates of sea level rise in the IPCC report were conservative and based on data two years old. The predicted rise this century was 20cm to 60cm, but it would be at the upper end of this range at least, he said, and some believed it could be two metres. This would be catastrophic for European coastlines.

He had flown over the Ilulissat glacier and "seen gigantic holes in it through which swirling masses of melt water were falling. I first looked at this glacier in the 1960s and there were no holes. These so-called moulins, 10 to 15 metres across, have opened up all over the place. There are hundreds of them."

He said ice-penetrating radar showed that this melt water was pouring through to the bottom of the glacier creating a lake 500 metres deep which was causing the glacier "to float on land. These melt-water rivers are lubricating the glacier, like applying oil to a surface and causing it to slide into the sea. It is causing a massive acceleration which could be catastrophic."

The glacier is now moving at 15km a year into the sea although in surges it moves even faster. He measured one surge at 5km in 90 minutes - an extraordinary event.

Veli Kallio, a Finnish scientist, said the quakes were triggered because ice had broken away after being fused to the rock for hundreds of years. The quakes were not vast - on a magnitude of 1 to 3 - but had never happened before in north-west Greenland and showed the potential for the entire ice sheet to collapse.

Prof Correll said: "These earthquakes are not dangerous in themselves but the fact that they are happening shows that events are happening far faster than we ever anticipated."

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:51 PM
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2. Jesus H. Christ
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 05:52 PM by GliderGuider
I'm reading Fred Pearce's new book "With Speed and Violence", and even his warnings didn't prepare me for this story.

Hundreds of moulins up to 50 feet in diameter? A lake 1500 feet deep under the glacier? A glacier surging 5 kilometers in an hour and a half?

This is catastrophic news.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:14 PM
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3. It's about to give that old Coke slogan a whole new meaning.
"Catch the Wave!"

Of course, the wave could be a couple miles high when it gets to you so good luck with that.... :(
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:09 PM
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4. I'm reading that now too
IF you can still sleep after that one,
try
'Under a Green Sky" by Peter Ward
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:03 PM
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5. I finished Ward's book two weeks ago
It's off infecting a friend now. I'm utterly horrified at what's waiting for us down the road.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:24 PM
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6. Hey, GG, I just finished "Under A Green Sky". I figured I may as well round out the nightmare . . .
Would you recommend Pearce's book? It sounds harrowing but necessary.

Oh, and just for your information, I was sitting here a moment with my mouth literally hanging open. 5 km in 90 minutes?

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

I had no idea that glaciers were even capable of moving at anything approaching that velocity.

Unbefuckinglievable.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:28 AM
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7. Yes, I'd recommend Pearce's book.
"With Speed and Violence" is very readable, and right out there at the pointy tip of the research. Pearce pulls no punches. Romm's "Hell and High Water", Ward's "Under a Green Sky" and this book are my choices for the reigning triumvirate of environmental catastrophe.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:25 AM
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8. I just got it from the library
and when my chores in the kitchen are done, I plan on starting that.
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