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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:51 PM
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History Channel: Mega Disasters-Oil Apocalypse
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=251195

Tuesday, November 13, 11 PM EST

The oil that our world runs on won't last forever. The gap between supply and demand is ever increasing. Will alternative energy save us or is it already too late? What would happen to the world as we know it when our oil dependent industries come to a grinding halt? A worldwide depression is a certainty but a power struggle for the basic necessities of life would be complete chaos.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:53 PM
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1. Pray my IR emitters come today so I can control my TiVO remotely
dammit I am missing so many valuable shows!! :mad: :nuke: :mad:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:05 PM
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2. 3rd and 4th generation nuclear power reactors will make a big difference and
...even though the technology for commercial applications is 20 years away an accelerated program like that of putting a man on the moon to begin buidling the needed capacity could begin now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor

Also see:

<snip>
Advantages of Nuclear Power
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD



Artemus Ward, Mark Twain’s predecessor, once said: "It ain’t the things we don't know that gets us into trouble. It's the things we know that just ain’t so." Regulators know that exposure to ionizing radiation, even in very low doses, is harmful. They say that no amount of radiation can be proclaimed safe. There is no threshold below which the deleterious effects of radiation cease to appear. This "knowledge" has, indeed, caused us a lot of trouble, and it turns out NOT to be true.

The actual truth is this: Not only are low to moderate doses of ionizing radiation not harmful, low doses of radiation are good for you. It stimulates the immune system and checks oxidation of DNA through a process known as "radiation hormesis" – and thereby prevents cancer. And irradiated mothers bear children that have a reduced incidence of congenital deformities.

Owing to the public’s fear of radiation, abetted by the nuclear protection industry and the media, nuclear power in the United States is at a standstill, just when we most need it. Construction on all nuclear power plants ordered after 1974 has stopped, and no orders have been placed for any since 1978. In the last 15 years, 8 nuclear power plants in the U.S. have been shut down because of escalating regulatory costs and public fears about radiation (103 remain).

The U.S. uses fossil fuels, mainly coal and natural gas, to produce 70 percent of its electricity. Nuclear power generates 19 percent and hydroelectric dams the other 11 percent. (Energy obtained directly from the sun, gathered by mirrors or photovoltaic cells, and from wind turbines generates less than one-tenth of one percent of our electricity.) Production of electricity consumes 36 percent of the energy we use.

<deep snip to end>
The many billions of dollars our government is spending occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, to ensure a continued supply of fossil fuels, would be much better spent building nuclear reactors.

Our country needs to bring the troops home and start building third (and fourth) generation nuclear power plants, like China and other Asian nations are doing. The War on Terror will not be won, with our adversary employing fourth-generation-warfare suicide attacks on civilians in one’s homeland, until our country pulls its stick out of the hornet’s nest. The only way Muslim terrorists are going to leave us, and our soon-to-be former allies like Spain alone is if we pull all of our troops out of the Middle East, and leave them alone.

This is perhaps the greatest advantage of nuclear power, coupled with new technologies like thermal depolymerization. It will better enable our country to follow the advice its first President gave us in his Farewell Address – to conduct dealings with other nations in the marketplace, not on the battlefield. Building nuclear power plants can help end the War on Terror, in addition to keeping our lights and computers on.
<MORE>

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller13.html


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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:59 AM
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14. Radiation is good for you???
Okay, man, but where are we going to be when we run out of uranium and we're stuck with the empty shells of all those multi-billion dollar "3rd and 4th" generation reactors and all the waste they produced?

(Amazing, how many people in this thread mentioned world war II. It's gonna be world war III if we don't get our heads screwed on straight-- and pronto....)
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:10 PM
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3. Definitely taping this.
I wonder if these are new interviews with Heinberg or if they're just using old stuff from End of Suburbia. Can't wait to see!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:37 PM
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6. Aha!!! So I'm not the only one who has noticed that much of their "original" programming...
Is compiled from clips of prior shows.

Maybe they think repetition is the only way to get through to a dumbed down populace?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:16 PM
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9. Yeah. I noticed that on their environmental docs.
Probably for that very reason you mention: dumbed down populace needs to hear it multiple times before it sinks in.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:09 AM
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13. I have noticed this on all the docs I have seen lately from how the universe was made to mega-
disaster shows. Maybe it is just cheaper to keep using the same footage over and over.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:28 AM
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15. Well, it is the Bushie Way. Gotta catapult the propaganda.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:05 PM
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8. Yes, be interesting to see what they let Heinberg say
as his writings parallel my model conclusions to date, that the political response (or non-response) to peaking of petroleum supply is the real threat.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:54 PM
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10. Looks like they've also got Deffeyes, Simmons and Bartlett.
I'm hopeful that this might be something that scares the pants off the sheeple!
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:13 PM
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4. What they never mention
is that oil is predominantly used for transportation (car, truck, plane, etc.). Nuclear won't do shit for your SUV. This is the big disconnect. We should be constructing a nationwide electrified rail network to better tap alternative energy toward efficient transportation.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:32 PM
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5. Agree. We should have a WW II level effort going now
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 01:33 PM by loindelrio
to transform as much of our transportation system as possible to electricity as an energy carrier. The portion which cannot be practically converted would fall within the range of liquid fuels that sustainable biofuel production could realistically produce. No last-man-standing resource war required.

Problem is, this will take a couple of decades minimum.

It now appears we have a few years, at best.

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:41 PM
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7. The technology exists, the will to implement it is lacking among American companies....
The first plug-in hybrids and electric cars will come from Asia and third-world countries.

Only now are the American car companies beginning to get a clue. The one they should have got back in 1973.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:54 PM
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11. My review of the program.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:05 AM
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12. Kiddies and I watched that today. We haven't had a chance to discuss it yet, though
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