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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:25 AM
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Is Obama Green Enough?
From Matt Gonzalez.....

{MINING LAW OF 1872:

In November 2007, Obama came out against a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. The current statute, signed into law by Ulysses Grant, allows mining companies to pay a nominal fee, as little as $2.50 an acre, to mine for hardrock minerals like gold, silver, and copper without paying royalties. Yearly profits for mining hardrock on public lands is estimated to be in excess of $1 billion a year according to Earthworks, a group that monitors the industry. Not surprisingly, the industry spends freely when it comes to lobbying: an estimated $60 million between 1998-2004 according to The Center on Public Integrity. And it appears to be paying off, yet again.

The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 would have finally overhauled the law and allowed American taxpayers to reap part of the royalties (4 percent of gross revenue on existing mining operations and 8 percent on new ones). The bill provided a revenue source to cleanup abandoned hardrock mines, which is likely to cost taxpayers over $50 million, and addressed health and safety concerns in the 11 affected western states.

Later it came to light that one of Obama’s key advisors in Nevada is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies (CBS News “Obama’s Position On Mining Law Questioned. Democrat Shares Position with Mining Executives Who Employ Lobbyist Advising Him,” November 14, 2007).

REGULATING NUCLEAR INDUSTRY:

The New York Times reported that, while campaigning in Iowa in December 2007, Obama boasted that he had passed a bill requiring nuclear plants to promptly report radioactive leaks. This came after residents of his home state of Illinois complained they were not told of leaks that occurred at a nuclear plant operated by Exelon Corporation.

The truth, however, was that Obama allowed the bill to be amended in Committee by Senate Republicans, replacing language mandating reporting with verbiage that merely offered guidance to regulators on how to address unreported leaks. The story noted that even this version of Obama’s bill failed to pass the Senate, so it was unclear why Obama was claiming to have passed the legislation. The February 3, 2008 The New York Times article titled “Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate” by Mike McIntire also noted the opinion of one of Obama’s constituents, which was hardly enthusiastic about Obama’s legislative efforts:

"Senator Obama's staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft," said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. "The teeth were just taken out of it."

As it turns out, the New York Times story noted: “Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.”

ENERGY POLICY:

On energy policy, it turns out Obama is a big supporter of corn-based ethanol which is well known for being an energy-intensive crop to grow. It is estimated that seven barrels of oil are required to produce eight barrels of corn ethanol, according to research by the Cato Institute. Ethanol’s impact on climate change is nominal and isn’t “green” according to Alisa Gravitz, Co-op America executive director. “It simply isn’t a major improvement over gasoline when it comes to reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.” A 2006 University of Minnesota study by Jason Hill and David Tilman, and an earlier study published in BioScience in 2005, concur. (There’s even concern that a reliance on corn-based ethanol would lead to higher food prices.)

So why would Obama be touting this as a solution to our oil dependency? Could it have something to do with the fact that the first presidential primary is located in Iowa, corn capitol of the country? In legislative terms this means Obama voted in favor of $8 billion worth of corn subsidies in 2006 alone, when most of that money should have been committed to alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal and wind.}
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:39 AM
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1. Interesting
Thank you fo posting this.

Left of Cool
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:54 AM
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3. It is really just the tip of the iceburg.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:43 AM
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2. Didn't he also say in one of the debates,
That he was for more nuke power plants? Where would we put all the toxic waste from those plants? In Franklin County Illinois, where I am from, Hillary won over Obama. Just so ya know.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:03 AM
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4. Are any of us?
Stones to throw, anyone?


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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:12 AM
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6. Can't you discuss this without throwing stones yourself? n/t
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:19 AM
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8. Why hit on Obama about this? The point?
What's to discuss??? Did anyone ask Booshe if he was green enough? McCain? Hillary? Will this make any of us NOT vote for him if he is our nominee? Does the Green coalition feel that, because he may be Black but not green, he doesn't deserve our vote.


Wait, let me hoist this up.

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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:25 AM
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10. We're discussing Obama's record.
Something the Obama supporters refuse to do as proved by your comments. Why would you not want to discuss a candidate's record and know what he has done in the past? It's beyond me how you think his record is unimportant. It truly is cult mentality IMO.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 AM
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12. I AM NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER, I am a DEMOCRATIC supporter
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:51 AM by DainBramaged
Read my journal or search my posts. This is nothing but a hit piece on him.

Go play somewhere else, we're done discussing this piece of shit hit job.

Oh, and get more fiber in your diet, maybe you'll see that AMERICA needs a new direction, not just the Greens.



PS

I think your little "cult" insertion is telling. Very telling.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:41 AM
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13. Amazing isn't it?
Anyone who questions... no matter how well researched..... should go "play somewhere else."

I am reaching the point.... I'll tell ya... where I am about to. After 32 years as a loyal Dem.

this is NOT why I joined the party..... to be led along by the nose, without questioning.

Oi.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 AM
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14. But it's OK to divide the party along "color" lines???
WHY CAN'T WE UNITE BEHIND OUR CANDIDATES??? Why do we eat our own? THIS is exactly what the Rethugs (including the lurkers here) want.

You don't like my devotion to the Democratic cause, put me on ignore, I don't give a shit. I intend to see a DEMOCRAT back in the White House and majorities in the House and Senate, and no petty bullshit by the attack dogs will persuade me otherwise.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:27 AM
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11. My reaction was similar to yours.
No, of course he's not "green enough." None of them are. Neither am I. The vast majority of humans are going to get "greener" via involuntary reductions in standard of living.

I'd vote for him happily enough because he's not batshit insane, like McCain, and the GOP power machine needs to be neutered very very badly, primarily because it is no longer reality-based. I would vote for Clinton for the same reasons.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:11 AM
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5. Thanks you for posting this article.
Obama is my Senator and I have known about these things. It is impossible to voice any facts like this without being torn to bits by his followers or for that matter the media. Obama receives no scrutiny, he is the chosen one. He has skeletons and the Republicans will bring them out because Democrats will not.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:23 AM
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9. Beware! You shall be turned into stone,
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:24 AM by Benhurst
a fate awaiting all those who gaze upon Medusa or dare to scrutinize the record of Barack Obama.

You must have Faith and Hope. The is no room for Skepticism.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:17 AM
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7. Enough!!! PLEASE!!!!!
Can we PLEASE get beyond these silly race debates? Is he black enough, is he too black, now is he green enough?? Come on, can't we just accept people for who they are and move on? Aren't we past this by now!!!




Oh..... wait....... maybe i should read the actual posts before I comment on the titles alone..............
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:59 AM
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15. Reform the 1872 Mining Law!


The 1872 Mining Law is one of the tools that the mining, timber and off-road vehicle interests use to break up our Roadless Areas and disqualify them from Wilderness Protection.

Wouldn't it be nice if the democrats could nominate a candidate that offered a significant change from the environmental policies of Bush and Cheney? Clearly, the O-man is not that candidate....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:03 AM
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16. Who is "that" candidate????
Oh wise miner.:rofl:
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