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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:27 PM
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Solar Produces 1000x More Energy Per Acre than Soy BioDiesel
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1454/70/

Solar Produces 1000x More Energy Per Acre than Soy BioDiesel

Lots of people are getting excited about all the various technologies for using biofuels of one sort or another as a replacement for fossil fuels, and they may present a short-term option. But looking at the various kinds of energy production that are possible gives some insight into the best directions to promote in terms of developing long-term efficient energy production.

A study cited on EV World makes a comparison between different crop- and direct-production methods of generating energy in terms of miles per acre per year, with some eye-opening information.

At the bottom end of the scale is soybean biodiesel, which can provide only 2,400 miles per acre per year. Corn ethanol is more than six times as efficient, yielding 18,000 miles per acre per year. But because of the relatively slow rate of production from plant-based fuels, these options far fall below the productivity of directly produced energy.

The same acre can produce 10 times as much energy from wind as it can from corn ethanol, 180,000 miles per acre per year. But both corn ethanol and wind power pale in comparison with solar photovoltaic, which can produce more than 2 million miles worth of transport per acre per year.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:31 PM
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1. Can You Convert To Cost Per Mile
An acre of photovoltaics is pretty expensive.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:39 PM
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4. not nearly as much as it used to be
and it's a one-time cost vs. perennial cost of pumping/growing fuel. Just gather, like a bee.

Nice to think about in fact
:)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:32 PM
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2. Yup. And No Destroying the Earth, Either
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:38 PM
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3. And since not all acrage is good to farm
but the sun shines on poor soil and good, PV represents a huge potential income for land fit only for solar.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:14 AM
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6. And, in addition, ...
... you could keep sheep, goats, chickens or pigs on the same land
as long as you didn't overstock it!

A solar smallholding ... hmmm ... :think:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:37 AM
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10. Very good point
and really, monoculture is so 20th C.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:14 AM
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5. Nova was all about Solar Tech tonight
but I missed it. :(
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:09 AM
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8. I missed it too
Check out the on-line content though...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/solar/
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:11 PM
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14. It was an excellent show and well worth watching
Germany is one country that has focused a lot of their resources on solar energy. Perhaps, if a democrat takes over the white house, our country might provide greater subsidies to alternative forms of power and less on the oil/gas industry.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:41 PM
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15. I just finished watching it on-line
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/solar/

It was a good show. Nothing in it I didn't know already, but I'm already thinking about people I want to watch it.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:24 AM
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7. Hwo far will my semi get on solar??
I'm thinking that I will get alot farther down the road with Biodiesel than with a solar array on the roof..
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 AM
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9. Not a very good comparison
Imagine how far you'd get if you had to grow those soy beans on your roof! :rofl:

In either case, you're talking about using power in your truck that is produced elsewhere. So, now the question becomes, "Where can you produce it most efficiently?"
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:38 AM
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11. much better economy
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 09:39 AM by realpolitik
When it's electric traction motors
start drawing current from the roadway, like a 1960s slot car.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 AM
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13. Electric trains on track.
More efficient.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:10 AM
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12. Planting an acre of Soybeans is alot cheaper
than buying 44,000 square feet of PV panels.

Althought the real problem is one of storage. Putting the equivalent of 200 gallons of Diesel onto a typical Kenworth chassis with batteries or capacitors isn't there yet.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:48 PM
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16. The comparison really doesn't hold up
How much of the year will that field of soybeans produce diesel?
How many harvests will you get without maintenance?

A field full of PV will essentially be maintenance free, producing power, year in, year out.
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