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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM
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The Bees Die…The Planet Dies
The planet is the common good of humanity. Taking care of it gives life a meaning.

It is necessary to make the farmers understand what their responsibility is, but they seldom have Internet. The bees are the second factor of life on our planet. There is nothing left but our awareness which can act on the totalitarian power of money. It is necessary to react, to transmit this important message to all and to find solutions because it is as serious as the war of Iraq. This poisining is a planetary genocide.

The scandals that are appearing everywhere are nothing compared to the untold catastrophes which are being prepared because of the criminal unawareness of some world lobbies specialized in the massive poisoning of nature. The extermination of the bees by products officially declared as being non toxic is another example of this lack of responsibility.

I am speaking about the extermination of the bees - on which depends 80 % of the pollination of cultivated plants - by Imidaclopride which Bayer sells under the name of Gaucho to the farmers to coat seeds and to protect them from certain diseases…

http://rinf.com/alt-news/environmental-news/the-bees-diethe-planet-dies/111/
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:57 PM
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1. I've been wondering what's going to happen to wild plants
Here in NY there are maybe a tenth of the dandelions that there usually are, annuals will just disappear. It's eerie. The problem goes way beyond cultivated plants to whole ecosystems.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:00 PM
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2. Oh don't worry - God will build us a new place
He said so, right? At least that's what my Mega-preacher told me and he wouldn't lie :sarcasm:
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:06 PM
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3. He already has
It's called Hell.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:07 PM
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4. And it's right here on earth...
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 02:07 PM by GliderGuider
No wait, we built that one...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:14 PM
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5. not true at all, not even close....
Look, I'm as appalled as you about threats to biodiversity, declining bee populations, and so on, but hysterical nonsense won't solve anything and probably does more harm than good.

First, the assertion that "80% of the pollination of cultivated plants" depends on bees is only credible if you include all of the non-food flowering plants grown as ornamentals. Only 30% of agricultural production depends on insect pollination. That isn't insignificant, but honey bees still account for only a subset of that amount-- albeit the largest subset by far-- and most staple foods are actually wind pollinated, not insect pollinated at all. There are also numerous native pollinators that can be adapted to do at least part of that pollination-- just not to the tune of 100K+ bees per hive and with a honey industry to boot.

Second, imidacloprid has not been demonstrated to be responsible for CCD. Personally, I suspect that imidacloprid might be a contributing factor, but I think that CCD is a syndrome rather than a single discrete condition and that it has multiple causes and multiple progressions that all terminate incidentally in bee mortality. But that is no more supported by the actual data at this point than the imidacloprid connection.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:26 PM
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12. I endorse mike_c's post
He knows his stuff
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:15 PM
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6. sigh.
First, the number of farmers with Internet access is identical to the overall average, and farmers understand their responsibility to this earth far better than the average homeowner.

The death of bees that has been widely reported is generally by those who transport their bees from place to place to pollinate cash crops. If these bee keepers go out of business because their single species of pollinators has been devastated by some insult, then other pollinators will take their place. Perhaps the rate of pollination will not be to the liking of almond growers, but we are not on the verge of food collapse simply the commercial bee pollination business has suffered the same fate that all monocultures eventually experience.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:22 PM
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7. All I know is the bees are not in my garden this year, and few
last year.
Honey type bees, that is. We used to see them all the time.

Mason bees aplenty, as always.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:57 PM
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10. I've been wondering about the mason bees
I'm going to make a couple of nest logs for them.
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:07 PM
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24. not in my garden either but for one single Bumble bee
but it's been unusually cold here in Oregon so far this season. The Bumble Bee is so beautiful and she (?) buzzed around me alot of times as I worked in the garden yesterday. I'm trying to keep several areas undisturbed for her as suggested by the experts.
Am hoping we get some bees this year, there were about a dozen last year and no squash pollinated, few tomatoes too. Oh and the rasberries didn't do much either. We use no chemicals on our gardens.

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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:23 PM
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8. I delighted to say
that I've had honeybees working my plantings in our suburban area for two years. I've seen more in these two years than in the previous decade. I don't know what their range is, but I'm guessing the hive can't be too far.

I don't know how much help this is, but I've put a Mason bee home in the backyard. So far, there are 8 liners being worked.



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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:19 PM
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9. ...okay, what is the difference between a honey bee and a mason bee?
Just so I know...
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:00 PM
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11. A really simple explanation
would be that honey bees are highly social, hive dwelling and honey and wax producing. Mason bees are solitary, build individual nests, have no worker bees. Both are great pollinators, though.

Here's where I get the Mason bees & supplies:

www.knoxcellars.com

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:59 PM
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15. Thanks, that was really interesting!
Too bad they're out of Mason bees until November. :(
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:58 PM
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14. Honey bees are prettier.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 08:58 PM by rosesaylavee
:)

And they make honey you can eat or sell.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:57 PM
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13. Saw my bees yesterday.
So far, so good. I am down to just one hive this year... but they were pretty busy doing their thing.

There are things each of us can do. We can stop using poison on our lawns, we can allow the clover to live in our grass or overseed areas with clover or other flowering cover crops. Let areas of your property go a bit wild so that the pollinators have a place to live too.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:40 AM
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18. excellent advice....
Pollinators need to forage all summer long, not just when people need their almonds pollinated!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:17 AM
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20. Or grow a food garden with plenty of flowering crops.
I grew different types of plants a few years ago in the garden. Every morning I would go out to see the bees all around the flowers. It was quite an amazing sight!

The land here is a bit messed up but I intend to try for a crop next year.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:01 PM
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16. I just tried to sign up for a beekeeping course in my area and it is filled up
with hundreds of names on the waiting list. I've heard its the same in several states when these course are offered. Some people are figuring out that its a good skill to learn I guess.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:11 AM
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19. I just learned last year.
They are amazing little animals. I love it. Susan Hubbell has a couple excellent books about beekeeping if you are looking to while the time between now and next year when you can start.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:45 PM
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17. I bet it's terrorists...
not really.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:45 AM
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21. Here's an informative thread about bee keeping
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:57 AM
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22. Yesterday I saw two dying bees.
An undersized bumble-bee struggling to go across the lawn.

A large yellow jacket on a rock, heaving, but would not fly as I took the rock out from under him.

I'm not seeing a lot of them.

Hope my sightings mean nothing.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:06 PM
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23. The bumbly bee may have just come out... just baby.
You might have been near a nest in the ground.

Don't know about the yellow jacket. It's too soon for us to see them here in Illinois.
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