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kgrandia (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:20 PM Original message |
Big Coal Fires Back Over James Hansen’s Criminal Complaint |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Burning Fossil Fuels is OVER . . . it's already suicidal --- |
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kgrandia (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And Peabody |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Oh, we can make things worse. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. People are wondering about Obama's intent |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Maybe if the money |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. How about making Electric Cars . . .!!! |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I like that idea. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. If burning fossil fuel is suicidal, how will electric cars help? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I applaud your suggestion that we walk more... |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The Tesla is interesting and if they find many buyers, more power to them |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Electric cars are cleaner even when powered by coal |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I see you prefer to ignorance to having your beliefs challenged |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I am responsible for my own ignorance |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Los Angeles' current capacity can accept 2 million electric cars |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. There is enough excess capacity in the grid |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Is the Tesla the right vehicle to promote electric cars? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Tesla is 'proof of concept' |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. The paper on sustainable energy can be read in small chunks from |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Now you are going into another area you clearly know little about |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. If studies on climate change are not founded on raw weather station data |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You are over simplifying the climate issue |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. OK I read the executive summary |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 05:10 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I think the reason south facing PV roof placements were used in the author's analysis |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. That much is self evident. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. "you recommended it repeatedly with the implication that it formed the basis of your thinking " |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Determine the requirenement based on what it is you expect to accomplish |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. "why you take it as a given that the individual should be responsible for paying for the panels. " |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. OK |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. "Never forget the Law of Unintended Consequences" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That's the problem with ideology |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. A heck of a good return on investment |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. The dollars don't correlete to the energy. nt |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Isn't the energy worth a certain number of dollars per kW hour? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. That can be a complex question. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Some people communicate more clearly than others |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Tax reductions on all forms of energy for everyone! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. "O" For the "P" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Electric transportation |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. And you think name-calling enhances your position? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-30-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Name calling? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. First of all, we don't need a "grid" and dragging electricity across 15 states . . . |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. OK; So wind and solar power are so obvious |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Always 20 years away in the minds of those promoting the Republican energy plan, you mean. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. humorous . . . |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. If CO2 reduction is your goal, electric cars may not yet be much better than cars burning gasoline. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Why are you replying to yourself? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Very interesting link. I feel compelled to point out that correlation does not equal causation. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. It's good to be explicit. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. What aspect of Obama's plans are going to put all 85,000 coal workers out of work? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. "Clean coal" with "carbon sequestration" |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Understood. Thanks. But if I am reading your post correctly, there's no |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I'll get a copy, thanks. |
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kgrandia (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. An op-ed |
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