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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:00 AM
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AlterNet: Get Ready for the Post-SUV World!
Get Ready for the Post-SUV World!

By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted July 10, 2008.

SUVs and big pickups are waddling off into the sunset, leaving Americans with no more excuses for the nation's profligate oil use.



As peak-oil enthusiasts keep vigil over world petroleum statistics, they can find comfort in America's sudden, rapid descent from a different summit: the peak of sport-utility vehicle (SUV) production. In the early 2000s, combined sales of SUVs, pickup trucks, and minivans (which together make up the "light truck" class) caught and surpassed sales of passenger cars. But last week, automakers announced that high gas prices have caused their sales of SUVs and full-size pickups to plummet by as much as 50 percent compared with a year ago.

With big-box vehicles waddling off into the sunset, we can expect the nation's roads to become safer and less crowded. But just as the end of the Cold War failed to bring with it a promised peace dividend, the end of the SUV era is unlikely to bring a "green dividend" -- unless it is accompanied by much bigger changes. The numbers show that even the complete disappearance of SUVs from the nation's roadways, without other fuel-saving developments, would put only a slight bend in the rising curve of national fuel consumption.

First, the Good News

By 2006, sales of the largest pickup trucks were 2½ times what they had been in 1992; meanwhile, assisted by the so-called "Hummer tax deduction," sales of 6,000- to 10,000-pound SUVs had risen 25-fold. But as last week's sales figures from Detroit made clear, 2008 will be a very different year.

In May, for the first time in 17 years, the top-selling vehicle model in America was not a pickup truck. In fact, Ford's F-150, the perennial leader, was overtaken by three small import-car models. Ford's June truck sales were down 41 percent from a year ago, and its SUV sales are now in free-fall, down 55 percent. Sales of Dodge Ram pickups tumbled 48 percent. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler were hit hard, and all have announced plans to close or suspend production at plants that make trucks and SUVs.

The post-SUV world will come to pass only gradually, but as it does, we can look forward to getting at least some relief from the damage that the reign of the big boxes has done:

Less gas will be burned, reducing greenhouse gas emissions: The average SUV is driven 20 percent more miles per year than is the average car. That, along with its low fuel efficiency, means that it burns more than 800 gallons of fuel per year. The average pickup is only slightly less thirsty, at 700 gallons, compared with just under 500 burned by the average car. But without greater restraint by all drivers, how much can the demise of the SUV reduce fossil-fuel consumption? As we will see, not much. ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/environment/90962/?ses=738344a12da20e7417ada2e882ef49dc



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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:07 AM
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1. maybe...maybe not.
if alternatives are developed to the point where it's once again fairly inexpensive to power a large vehicle, they WILL be back. there's no denying that if all vehicles were equal in cost to power, many if not most people would prefer them.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:20 AM
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4. It still takes between 15 and 50 barrels of oil to produces
any car in this nation. Still need oil.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:11 PM
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5. Does it require that much "oil" or the equivalent energy of that much oil?
Lots of plastic so I can see where there is a need for some oil, but is the number you are using based on energy or plastic?

I wonder that the energy comparison will be to construct an EV like the Think! compared to an ICE like the Cavalier?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:59 PM
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6. It's based on energy used. Plastic makes up roughly 35% of the car. nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:26 PM
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7. plastics don't have to come from petroleum...even henry ford knew that.
i'm surprised you didn't...:shrug:


Henry Ford tries out his first car

What was it made from?
Plant based materials- including hemp
"the axe bounced, and there was no dent....."

http://www.hempplastic.com/newSite/index.htm
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:49 PM
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8. ugh!! 65% of the production of a car comes from oil!!!
I am well aware that the plastic in a car doesn't need to be there.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:10 PM
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9. but are you well aware that the plastic doesn't need to be made out of petroleum?
THAT'S what i'm saying.

A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G that can be made from petroleum can be made from hemp oil.

hemp is R-E-N-E-W-A-B-L-E.

that's what henry ford realized decades ago.(you DID check out the link in my previous post before blathering, right?)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:43 AM
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11. ...
:banghead:

and how do you plan to manufacture long chain polymers from hemp when you don't have oil?

do you even know what goes into synthesizing "plastic" from non-fossil fuel sources?

help me, god.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:46 AM
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12. but there is oil.
none of the people alive today will live to see the world run out of petroleum.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 09:02 AM
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13. oh for the love of everything good...
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 09:02 AM by Javaman
do you even know what the term peak oil refers to?

lord, please grant me the patience!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:38 AM
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2. I figure "...average SUV is driven 20 percent more..." is 12K miles...
(800 gallons x 15 mpg).

A car that gets 35 mpg driving the same distance would use 343 gallons/year, 45 mpg, 267 gallons.

The savings on gas at $4/gallon would be $1828 and $2132, respectively.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:52 AM
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3. Could those SUVs be converted to housing
for disaster victims, homeless, etc?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:44 AM
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10. It's probably the best use for them ...
... just park them a foot or so apart (to avoid movement in one
disturbing its neighbour) and use the rear hatch for the entrance/exit.

Strip out the engines & tyres (recycle/reuse) before pushing into place.

Paint the side windows for privacy and have curtains or screens for the
front & back.

Replace the electric window winders with old-fashioned hand cranks to
allow for ventilation.

Run a lead from the accessory socket if you want to put power *into* the
system to recharge the battery (to allow for lights or even radios).

:shrug:
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