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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:21 PM
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Nature - 3,000 GT Cumulative Atmospheric Carbon May Be Threshold For Irrevocable Greenland Melt
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Sylvie Charbit at the Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l'Environment, Gif-sur-Yvette, France, and colleagues simulated the long-term stability of the Greenland ice sheet under various carbon dioxide emissions scenarios. Under scenarios where cumulative emissions are less than 2,500 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide (GtC), the ice sheet melts only partially and even begins to recover within several thousand years. However, above 3,000 GtC, melting is rapid and complete, and persists for tens of thousands of years. The researchers did not include other greenhouse gases such as methane and nitrous oxide in the model, which suggests that their estimates of the carbon threshold are conservative.

Although current cumulative carbon dioxide emissions are on the order of 350 GtC, total emissions may reach 2,480 GtC by AD 2100 under worst-case scenarios — so unless emissions are curbed, runaway melting of Greenland may be triggered in the coming centuries.


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http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0808/full/climate.2008.73.html
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:23 PM
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1. The ice is already melting
And if we cut down on the particulate air pollution, the general temp might rise as much as 10%.

"Conservative Estimate" is a gross understatement.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:04 PM
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7. And as the ice melts, the tundra melts, releasing methane.
I've seen estimates that put methane between 13 and 40 times more "powerful" than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

Even 13x is going to suck hugely, given that there are tens of billions of tons of methane locked up in the tundra.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:27 PM
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2. "Cumulative" seems like an odd way to label these scenarios.
A cumulative emissions figure doesn't (by itself) tell us anything about what concentration is achieved in the atmosphere.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:30 PM
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3. Not having access to the whole article (alas!) there may be further details
I would assume that he's talking about cumulative accumulation since, oh, 1750 as a baseline, but I don't know that.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:36 PM
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4. So we're going to lose Greenland in 100 years?
Somehow, I'm skeptical...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:54 PM
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5. Me, too. I'm thinking 25.
Just call me "Little Mary Sunshine".
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:59 PM
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6. Better than
"Betsy Weatherhead." :P
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:21 PM
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8. Don't worry. When the North Atlantic Current shuts down
We'll have another iceage! :woohoo:

Better go see Yurp and NYC now!
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