Minimal hydrogen required to dramatically increase diesel

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combustion process.

How it works without breaking your blessed laws of thermodynamics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_J_D0NS0BE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2x76TzSP3s&feature=related

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/09/trucking_firm_t.html
Trucking Firm to Install Hy-Drive Hydrogen Generating Systems Throughout Fleet
5 September 2006

Langford, Inc., a St. Cloud, Minnesota-based trucking firm, will install Hy-Drive’s Hydrogen Generating System (HGS) throughout its entire fleet. Langford has been conducting a series of over-the-road test programs using the Hy-Drive HGS for the past several months on selected trucks.

The HGS is an on-board electrolyzer that generates and injects hydrogen gas into a regular internal combustion engine, enhancing the combustion process by allowing fuel to burn more efficiently and completely. (Earlier post.) After nearly four months of results, units running the Hy-Drive system saw fuel economy climbed to more than 7 miles per gallon. That translates into a fuel savings of about US$700 US a month at current prices—enough to pay for the system in 15 months.

Langford used PeopleNet’s on-board web-based performance monitoring system to analyze the performance of trucks equipped with the Hy-Drive HGS in order to verify the increased fuel efficiency and increased horsepower.

Langford runs both company-owned and owner-operator trucks in the fleet. For the owner-operators, Langford has set up a special $400 a month lease-purchase agreement to acquire the Hy-Drive system.

In August, Hy-Drive announced a definitive marketing, distribution and manufacturing agreement with Canadian-based Mining Technologies International Inc. (MTI) for the development and deployment of HGS units in above- and below-ground mining equipment. (Earlier post.)



http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/online/news/articles/2006-04/Hy-Drive-Technologies-Announces-
Hy-Drive Technologies Announces Sale of 20 Hydrogen Generating Systems

MISSISSAUGA, ON, Apr 6, 2006 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) -- Hy-Drive Technologies Ltd. (TSX-V: HGS) ("Hy-Drive") today announced that it has sold 20 of its hydrogen generating systems (HGS) to Canadian-based Mining Technologies International Inc. (MTI), as the initial order under a longer term supply agreement. MTI is a leading manufacturer of mining equipment including trucks, loaders, underground utility vehicles as well as drilling equipment.

In addition Hy-Drive and MTI have signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU). Under the terms of the MOU, MTI will be adapting Hy-Drive's new technology HGS for use on selected underground and above ground, diesel powered, mining equipment. Hy-Drive's system is ideally suited to address a major concern of the mining industry - air quality. It dramatically reduces exhaust emissions while enhancing fuel efficiency. "Any product that can help improve the air quality of miners working below the surface offers an incredible advantage from a health and safety perspective," says Robert Lipic, President and CEO of MTI. "We turned to Hy-Drive because they have an innovative solution for reducing the harmful exhaust emissions that all mining vehicles inherently produce. Their simple retrofit package reduces the emissions as part of the natural combustion process instead of just filtering the exhaust. This technology should be readily accepted as it will create a healthier work environment from which everyone can benefit. Our corporate vision is to achieve the right solution, on time, every time, and we believe that Hy-Drive's system fits into that vision".

The Hy-Drive system works by injecting small amounts of hydrogen gas into the combustion chamber of a regular internal combustion engine. This creates an enriched air mixture and a more complete and faster burn which results in reduced emissions, improved fuel efficiency and more engine torque. The product is easy to install and works with any internal combustion engine, all types of fuel and in almost any climate making a versatile solution for any truck or commercial vehicle.

"Our partnership with Mining Technologies International highlights how our new patented hydrogen injection technology can be applied to a specific vertical industry such as mining," said Tom Brown, President & CEO of Hy-Drive Technologies Ltd. "The value proposition for the mining industry is primarily about lowering emissions in a confined space as opposed to the fuel savings. This deal demonstrates that our HGS provides a very practical solution to the chronic issue of air quality and emissions reduction. We expect this association with MTI will help create market momentum for us across other vertical industries globally."



http://www.thetrucker.com/News/Stories/2006/4/17/Hy-Drivehydrogengeneratorreportsfastermorecompleteengineburn.aspx
Hy-Drive hydrogen generator reports faster, more complete engine burn

The Trucker News Services

4/17/2006

Hy-Drive hydrogen generator reports faster, more complete engine burn

MISSISSAUGA, Ontario — You’ve heard of overdrive, now there’s Hy-Drive, a system that generates and injects small amounts of hydrogen gas into the combustion chamber of a truck’s engine, creating an enriched air-fuel mixture that burns faster and more completely, according to a product news release.

Michel Fortin, a consultant for the Mississauga, Ontario-based Hy-Drive Technologies, said the system has shown a 75 percent hydrocarbon reduction and an 85 percent particulate reduction.

Some of the Hy-Drive generators were installed on trucks at the Mid-America Trucking Show in Louisville, Ky., in March.

Using distilled water, the Hy-Drive Hydrogen Generating System (HGS) produces hydrogen and oxygen gases by deriving the gases from the water through electrolysis. Based on engine demand, the Hy-Drive injects the gases into the combustion chamber through the high-pressure side of the turbo-boost input manifold.

In the hydrogen-enriched atmosphere the fuel burn is more complete and takes place earlier in the ignition stroke of the piston, producing more power, yielding more work from the burn and reducing the exhaust temperature.

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1. Sounds like MIT's Plasmatron. n/t

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2. this news is two years old, where is the follow up?

Oh, here it is: From the Hy-Drive web site

The Company reports a net loss of $1,530,324 ($0.03 per share) for the three month period ended March 31, 2008 compared to $1,966,927 ($0.03 per share) for the three month period ended March 31, 2007.

Hmmm? Not a very profitable business if you ask me.

Total cash and short-term investments used in operating activities was $1,736,799 for the three month period ended March 31, 2008 compared to $2,981,213 for the three month period ended March 31, 2007. The Company implemented a series of cash conservation initiatives during the second half of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008, including controls over production and inventory, capital expenditures, marketing initiatives, and general and administrative expenditures. These positive initiatives effected a significant reduction in the monthly operating costs of the Company.

Sure looks like they're going under.

The Company continues to focus on reliability and performance improvements of its Hydrogen Generating System (HGS).

That sounds like they are desperately trying to make it work before they have to declare bankruptcy.

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3. More follow up

The following table sets out selected financial data for the year and 3 months ended December 31, 2007 and 2006.

Notice how losses almost tripled last year?

During 2007, the Company became aware of some performance degradation and component failure in the Hydrogen Generating System (HGS) product. The Company completed rigorous inspections, tests and analyses, and determined that the principal source of the problems was related to the variability of the materials used in component construction. As such, new unit production was temporarily suspended and consequently, no revenues were recognized during the second, third and fourth quarters of 2007. Since that time, the Company has enhanced design processes, improved validation testing and significantly strengthened quality control prior to the release of newer generation HGS product.

In other words, their product was crappy and they couldn't sell any.

The Company recorded a loss of $16,778,664 ($0.28 per share) for the year ended December 31, 2007 compared to a loss of $6,381,929 ($0.13 per share) for the year ended December 31, 2006. Cash and short-term investments reported as at December 31, 2007 is $15,601,987 as compared to $16,523,511 as at December 31, 2006.

This company is in trouble. Why do you think that is so?

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4. Same reason GM is in trouble?? Poor management?... not

because their scam doesn't work.

How much does big oil pay you guys anyway?

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6. There it is,The Conspiracy Theory!

I've been waiting for that.

:)

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7. No CT here Jake. Even those who conspire to do what they do

don't agree they exist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2x76TzSP3s&feature=related

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8. So now we have gone from nobody has shown this to work

ever, to no one with any commonsense plays with such nonsense, it is a total scam, you have sucker painted on your forehead to... "are you ready for this?"

Yeah, but this company isn't making a profit!!! Twit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2x76TzSP3s&feature=related




http://www.gethydropower.com/products_kong.html
The Kong - 160 Plate/ 80 Cell Electrolyzer
PRODUCES OVER 1,000 LITERS PER HOUR
EMISSIONS ARE AT/OR EXTREMLY NEAR
ZERO
NEW RECORD!

FUEL CONSUMPTION NOW DOWN BY 50% - 70% AT IDLE AND 20% AT FULL SPEED.

Includes all tubing, wire, connections and 5 GALLONS electrolyzer solution
Needs ~ 5 gallons of Water approximately every 20 hours of operation. ~1,200 miles

Dimensions: 17”Deep 27” Wide 12.5” Tall
Weight: ~70 lbs empty and ~100 full
Must be mounted to the frame in a tool box OR

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5. Stop looking at my websites dude. How much did GM make in its

first two years?? Chances are they probably had similar experiences.

http://www.hy-drive.com/main/RunScript.asp?page=50&Article_ID=135&NWS=NWS&ap=NewsDetail.asp&p=ASP\~Pg50.asp

Hy-Drive Announces Highlights from

Annual Shareholders Meeting
The main topics discussed were as follows:



* We will continue to perform IPT testing locally as part of our testing strategy to achieve more repeatable and demonstrable performance of the HGS system;
* No meaningful revenue is expected through the balance of 2008. A more realistic commercial launch point is in 2009;
* The market for carbon credits or environmental reduction credits is in its infancy phase but there will be commercial opportunities in the future;
* G3 / M3 HGS systems have been released for field testing in conjunction with the IPT program and third party validation testing;
* Certain previous generations of the HGS systems have been upgraded and will be deployed in a test and commercial environment, as appropriate;
* Recent 3rd party test results relative to fuel savings have been encouraging; and
* Re-validation testing relative to the impact of Hy-Drive’s HGS on both fuel efficiency and emissions at the University of Auburn will commence on June 2, 2008.

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9. The hydrogen acts as an ignition accelerant

You get the same effect if you add a few gallons of gasoline to the diesel in your vehicle's tank. My father had a 1980 W123 model 300 diesel Mercedes sedan and the manual stated that adding 10% gasoline would make the engine start easier and run with less soot, especially in Winter. Adding more than 1/3 gasoline is bad for the fuel injection system due to poor lubricity, and pure gasoline will wreck the rest of the engine because of severe knocking.

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10. Ahem.... gasoline is over 4 dollars a gallon. They are talking about

one light bulb's worth of electricity. Water is free. Do the math.

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11. Right, but the gain comes from more complete combustion of the diesel

rather than only from the added energy in the gasoline or hydrogen.

That said, the same mechanism could exist in your other post about HHO gas injection.

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12. Perhaps, perhaps... I hope this technology goes forward and gets

some "real scientists" to either prove or disprove it entirely. What it could mean for our country and the environment if applied correctly and cost effectively one can only guess. Up until now I didn't understand how such a small amount of H2 could affect combustion. Again, this is not "free energy" it is as you have duly noted enhanced combustion and that's nothing to sneeze at with fuel prices as they are. I could see this system being applied to home heating cuz there are people right now who are going to turn their thermostats down to 55 degrees this year... and some of those people are our grandmothers and grandfathers.... they don't deserve this sort of thing.

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13. Think of the hydrogen as a catalytic converter inside the combustion chamber

where it can contribute to efficiency.

Perhaps the mechanism is the more complete combustion of the diesel that results from the addition of millions of tiny "spark plugs" - the injected hydrogen molecules... This model makes the small added energy content of the hydrogen irrelevant. Empirical results matter more than understanding the theory: The question is, can the improvement in economy be proven real?

Google "water injection" and note that this was used 65 years ago to improve engine power and economy during war time. The water did not add any direct energy, so there are other mechanisms at play: Such as reduced combustion temperature allowing more advanced ignition timing or earlier diesel injection, and more "working fluid" in the system resulting in an increased dynamic compression ratio, yielding improved thermal efficiency. An added bonus might have been "steam cleaning" of the combustion chamber to prevent coke build-up.

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16. Don't you think the added power came from the expansion of the

water in the fighter planes and nothing more? I have a relative who used to pipe his windshield wiper hose into the carb of his car for an added spurt now and again. Not good for the motor I'm sure but he said it did give the car a boost. Crude but effective for how long?? Who knows.

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17. Yes, hence "more working fluid"

A diesel engine has more working fluid (air) than a gasoline engine because the air intake is not throttled. With a diesel, torque is regulated by the volume of fuel injected per cycle, while a conventional gas engine needs to control both fuel and air to keep the mixture in a narrow - too rich or lean and it won't burn at all. Adding water to a gas engine adds inert working fluid, as does "exhaust gas recirculation"; the latter, extremely common on gas engines.

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18. How a water injection system works

Just in case anyone needs to brush up on the use of water in an internal combustion engine.

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html

Water injection systems are predominantly useful in forced induction (turbocharged or supercharged), internal combustion engines. Only in extreme cases such as very high compression ratios, very low octane fuel or too much ignition advance can it benefit a normally aspirated engine. The system has been around for a long time since it was already used in some World War II aircraft engines.

A water injection system works similarly to a fuel injection system with the difference that it injects water instead of fuel. Water injection is not to be confused with water spraying on the intercooler's surface, water spraying is much less efficient and far less sophisticated.
A turbocharger essentially compresses the air going into the engine in order to force more air than it would be possible using the atmospheric pressure. More air into the engine means, automatically, that more fuel has to be injected in order to maintain the appropriate stoichiometric value of the air/fuel ratio (around 14:1). More air and fuel into the engine leads to more power. However by compressing the inlet air the turbocharger also heats it. Higher air temperatures lead to thinner air and therefore an altered stoichiometric ratio which results to richer mixtures. Over-heated air intake temperatures can cause detonation.
Detonation, an effect also known as engine knock or pinging, occurs when the air/fuel mixture ignites prematurely or burns incorrectly. In normal engine operation the flame front travels from the spark plug across the cylinder in a predefined pattern. Peak chamber pressure occurs at around 12 degrees after TDC and the piston is pushed down the bore.


In some cases and for reasons such as a poor mixture, too high engine or inlet temperatures, too low octane fuels, too much ignition advance, too much turbo boost, etc. the primary flame front initiated by the spark plug may be followed by a second flame front. The chamber pressure then rises too rapidly for piston movement to relieve it. The pressure and temperature become so great that all the mixture in the chamber explodes in an uncontrolled manner. If the force of that explosion is severe some of the engine's moving parts (pistons, rods, valves, crank) will be destroyed.
Detonation, in any engine, should always be avoided by either lowering inlet temperatures, using higher octane fuel, retarding ignition (hence lowering engine output), lowering engine blow-by (a situation in which high crankcase pressure sends oil fumes back inside the combustion chamber), running the engine a little richer than at the stoichiometric ratio, lowering the compression ratio and/or boost pressure, ... .
Water injection is used to lower in-cylinder temperatures and burn the air/fuel mixture more efficiently thus helping avoid detonation.

In high pressure turbocharged engines the air/fuel mixture that enters the cylinders can, in some cases, explode prematurely (before the spark plug ignites) due to the extreme engine environment conditions. This situation is extremely destructive and results in severe engine damage (piston piercing). To avoid damaging the engine by detonation or pre-ignition phenomena, water is injected, along with fuel, in the combustion chambers in order to provide a water/air/fuel mixture which not only burns more efficiently and avoids detonation or pre-ignition but also provides additional inlet air cooling and, hence, denser air. The sole function of water injection is avoiding detonation.

There are mainly three variations of water injection systems. They are dependent of the location of the water injectors. The first technique consists of injecting water at the entrance of the intake manifold. The second injects water at the exit pipe of the intercooler. The third technique injects water at the entry of the intercooler and is only used in competition vehicles. In this latter variation most of the in-cylinder detonation prevention is done by injecting additional fuel which is then used as coolant (i.e. is not burned) and runs the engine above the stoichiometric ratio (i.e. rich).

How water injection works

The system is, usually, made up of 3 elements:

A water injector (similar to a fuel injector)

A high pressure pump (capable of attaining at least 3 to 4 bar pressure and sometimes even more)

A pressure sensor connected to the inlet manifold

An inlet air temperature sensor

Usually a water injection system is engaged when the inlet air temperature is exceeding a certain value, typically 40 degrees Celsius, and the engine is on boost. The most advanced systems add to the above electronic circuitry that provides 3D cartography similar to the one used in fuel injection systems. Cartography based devices take into account many more parameters such air/fuel ratio, throttle position and so on.

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14. Slowing down will get you the same results!!!!

What a bunch of shit here.. IF you drive a semi then you already know that if you slow the truck down, instead of having your foot to the floor all the time, you'll increase your mileage greatly..

I have increased the mileage I get in my semi from 5 mpg's to over 7 mpg by simply SLOWING down... I am no longer in a big hurry as I am making more money by slowing down when I drive..

But most semi drivers I am still seeing over the road are not slowing down that much.. A few perhaps but most still knock it down when the speed limits are above 65..

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15. Most semi drivers are paid for miles covered, not by the hour

If you are a long distance hauler then you know about the number of hours you are allowed to drive per day. If you slow down you may not make the destination in one day and will have to rest overnight before continuing. This reduces your effective pay rate per day and adds the cost of staying overnight on top of that.

For occasional driving of less than 500 miles this may not matter.

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19. Step right up folks. Get your snake oil before it's sold out. NT

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20. Seems to be going around.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/convert-a-car-to-run-on-water-as-a-fuel-source-how-to/3132884984?icid=100214839x1206167355x1200301097

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21. I have a pdf file that gives step by step instructions but I haven't a clue as to how to post

it. My neighbor forwarded it to me a couple weeks ago. I suspect it is info that someone paid good money for too.

I love you 4MoronicYears but I can't buy any of this
Peace :hi:

edit to remove a word, goes

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22. Well, in the for what it's worth department.... I was behind one of

them mosquito control trucks... the kind that tool around the campgrounds at night... and believe it or not, my mileage jumped to 205. And after awhile, I was able to shut down the engine entirely and I was pulled along by the insect destroying fumes. At this point my mileage would have been infinity and that's about as good as it can get.

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23. That post deserves a DUzy!