Acetohydroxamic acid found to speedily reduce Neptunium VI to Neptunium V, salt free.

[NNadir]

This post, of course, will not be sexy like some demand by some dumb fundie to "read this" since "this" is on a scientifically illiterate level, but if you're bored by lectures from illiterates on the subject of stuff about which they know zero, you can try some real science.

New salt-free reagents to separate plutonium and neptunium from uranium have been reported in the literature, including the development of new salt-free reagents <3–5>. Acetohydroxamic acid (AHA) is especially suited as a reductant/complexant of choice for the process to reject Np along with Am, Cm and fission products because it can reduce Np(VI) to Np(V) quickly and it can complex Np(IV) <6>. These characteristics will allow U(VI) to be extracted free of transactinides <7–9>. SinceAHAis composed of only C, H,O and N atoms they can be readily decomposed to gases so that their incorporation in to industrial processes will not lead to increases in a waste
volume <10>. Studies on the reaction of AHA have been reported by Taylor et al. <11–14>. AHA acts to rapidly reduce Np(VI) to Np(V), but a reduction of Np(V) to Np(IV) by AHA, as indicated by the onset potentials <6>, is not expected since the hydrolysis of AHA by nitric acid is likely to be much faster than the reduction of Np(V) to Np(IV) which requires a breaking of the covalent Np-O bonds in the NpO2 + <15>. The reduction of Np(VI) by AHA has been reported by Taylor et al. <7,11> The kinetics for a rapid reduction, taking less than a few seconds to complete, have been shown to be a first order with respect to and <16>.

In this study, Np(IV) and Np(VI) distribution between 30 vol.% TBP/n-dodecane and 1M nitric acid was measured with and without AHA in a Np only and a simulated solution, which contained a variety of elements such as Ce, Nd, Mo, Zr,Fe, Sr, Ni, Pd and Ru.

Of course this report, is unlikely to impress anyone who opposes nuclear power on the grounds that they don't know the first fucking thing about the subject, and therefore feel perfectly qualified to read reports by equally dumb "journalists" who are ready to report whatever the fuck the illiterates want to hear.

The number of dumb shit reporters who can comprehend the conclusion, which is this:

4. Conclusions.

Distribution ratios of Np(IV) and Np(VI) from HNO3 solutions into 30% TBP/n-dodecane were decreased by a complexation with AHA and a reduction of Np(VI) to Np(V) by AHA, thus making it feasible to reject Np to the waste during a solvent extraction process for a recovery of U. AHA has useful physical and chemical properties that allows it to be effectively used in an solvent extraction process to control both Np(IV) and Np(VI).

...is ZERO.

In fact, the main feature of anti-nukes is the fact that they don't know shit from shinola about nuclear power in particular, and science in general.

The report is from Chung and Lee, KAERI, (Korean Atomic Energy Research Institute) Journal of Alloys and Compounds 451 (2008) 440–442.

Of course, if you simply refer to pontificate from a position of abysmal and profound ignorance, you certainly wouldn't want to read this report, since ignorance feeds on itself.

[madokie]

1. Well my doc tells me to go on a no or low salt diet and you're talking about salt free

so does that mean I can read further or would you prefer I should I just chuck:puke: it, I'm confused as to the right thing to do. Oh well its prolly just bullshit anyway

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[madokie]

7. my o my you really told me didn't you nnadir

You see big guy, your first mistake is thinking I'm a "fundie" and then it just goes down hill from there. Good luck on your endeavors as I'm sure there are many.

[Arctic Dave]

2. I'm impressed by your article

however your attitude leaves me less then impressed with you. I'm going to guess that the gases will be captured and used for industrial purposes?

[Warpy]

3. It also doesn't address the disposition of other radioactive garbage

including the plant, itself, once it exceeds its lifespan.

[madokie]

5. When it comes to nuclear it almost always never is what it seems to be

at first blush. My advice is to wash the rouge off first to see what you've got then take it from there as you have :-)

[NNadir]

6. Bullshit. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

I note, with due contempt, that you couldn't give a rat's ass about the life time of the garbage from you computer, your car, your refrigerator or any other yuppie toy you own.

Instead you'd like to focus in a completely illiterate fashion on a subject about which you clearly know nothing at all.

[madokie]

8. did you get the wrong post to reply to as this is usually what you say to me

I'm really getting confused now. Or is it that both of us are, you know, not worthy of your time.:shrug:

[NNadir]

21. It applies in general to the entire fundie illiterate anti-nuke community.

Basically this religious faith is rather like those religions where a particular phrase or set of phrases with no meaning are repeated ad nauseum.

There is not one fundie anti-nuke on this website who has ever betrayed a shred of insight to technical issues of any kind. The technical issues involved involve lives, human lives, and the integrity of severely stressed ecosystems.

I am willing to repeat my contempt for as many instances as they, including you, are willing to repeat your bland distortions, untruths, selective attention, misinterpretation, arbitrary criteria etc, etc, etc.

I have made no secret of the fact that I consider the anti-nuke position - because of the <em>relative</em> external costs of energy - to be nothing more than <em>murder</em>.

I have never deviated from this position, a moral position: Ignorance is not neutral. Ignorance is not to be ignored. Ignorance kills.

Thus I wouldn't say that you are unworthy of my time but rather than you <em>demand</em> my time. I have taken it as a moral responsibility to confront ignorance and I am therefore compelled to spend time expressing my moral disgust at your position.

Are we clear now?

[madokie]

28. personally I'm not too up on religion as I'm not a religous person so you'll have to bear with me

if'n I don't un'nerstand what it is you're saying, but you can learn me though pretty easy like. mom always said I learnt fast. she tole me once I was a good boy too, I believed her.

[Warpy]

10. Nice bunch of strawmen

now go play with them by yourself. You made 'em, you knock 'em down.

[jpak]

33. What about the garbage from *your* computer, car, refrigerator and yuppie toys

I note with due contempt, that it is *YOU* that does not give an illiterate flying fuck about the rat's ass.

*you*

*YOU*

((((((YOOOOUUUUUUUUU!!!!111))))))

:rofl:

[angrycarpenter]

9. A person is not "dumb" if they do not know nuclear physics.

Can you build a two landing, solid oak staircase with turned balusters and a hand rubbed pecan finish? No? does that mean you are stupid?

Don't be an intellectual snob. your article may be interesting, but instead of trying to comprehend it people are just going to think you are a jerk and move on.

You do not have to fully comprehend a subject to have an opinion.

[NNadir]

11. Let's get this straight. I don't go around calling for a ban on hand rubbed pecan finishes.

Got it?

I am confronting ignorance that kills. There are zero anti-nukes on this website who understand a shred of nuclear technology.

Now I'm sure that your yuppie balustrade knowledge is very impressive, but the fact is that it has nothing to do with loss of life, destruction of the earth's atomsphere or human access to basic standards of living.

Nuclear chemistry and nuclear chemistry on the other hand, have direct bearing on these subjects.

I am here to report that ignorance is not a satisfactory position from which unqualified yokels should be allowed to cause harm and injury.

I couldn't care less about the balustrade, and if I did, I would have to plainly confess that I don't know shit from shinola about the subject.

[angrycarpenter]

13. so we should just leave it all up to others to make desisions

about a process that has the potential to bring great benefits or unparalleled disaster?

I see a great ignorance in you. It has nothing to do with nuclear physics but in the way you see others. The world looks like a great crowd of troglodytes with you as the only evolved human around. God how we idiots must test your non-existent patience.

You are a human like the rest of us. I no longer care what your original point was. Enjoy your cheerless life, you earned it.

[angrycarpenter]

17. and another thing

I ain't no yuppie.

[madokie]

15. There you go again

a moment ago you were singing the praises and now you're back to biting nails. You really ought to get this looked into as it could be terminal you know. I guess it doesn't really matter as you're going to heaven when you die anyway huh.

[MullenBank]

12. i love you, man...

n/t

[Javaman]

14. man, you are a bottle of anger. nt

[NNadir]

16. That is an accurate statement.

[madokie]

18. And who's fault would that be

us that you call dumb fundies or you yourself, I vote for the latter. I'm telling you nnadir you need to see a doctor about these outburst, they cannot be good for you and I do worry about your health.

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[madokie]

25. well I've come up in this world

I used to only be a fundie but now I'm a shithead. hell I'm just lucky I have spell check to spell that one for me. nnadir this world is not about you, I'm sorry to be the one to break that news to you but someone had too and you know me, Ole never miss a chance madokie, huh.:rofl::evilgrin:

Hey nnadir am I only a shithead now or am I still a fundie plus a shithead, I'm getting confused again.

[NickB79]

19. I'm surprised more of us aren't bottles of anger yet

I mean, the ice caps are melting, Australia is a dust bowl, the rainforests are being bulldozed for cattle and soy farms, we're strip-mining the seas of the last vestiges of fish, and we're looking at a perfect storm of climate change, energy shortages, food shortages and population overshoot.

At the same time, no one in power seems to give a fuck, or even grasp the magnitude of what's bearing down upon us.

I'd be suspicious of anyone who ISN'T angry at this point.

[madokie]

20. and getting angry helps, how

not many people I know do their best work while angry, in fact I'm not sure I know any that thats the case.

[NNadir]

24. I would be very surprised if you knew a single person who does meaningful work.

You certainly haven't done any from what I can tell.

Maybe you're audtioning to be the new Dr. Phil though. You have an afternoon TV sensibility, that's for sure.

[madokie]

26. Thats what I'm trying to tell you man, you're letting your rage blind you

hell wake up and smell the booze bro' you're starting to sound sober again. Imagine a whole reply and not one fundie or my new name shithead in it once, if you hurry you still have time to fix that. don't let me down now nnadir, don't let me down this time.

[Indenturedebtor]

38. I know people who make food. You know that stuff you put in your mouth

I also know people who clean toilets. They help to make sure that you don't get a disease.

Oh and I know some Doctors. They give you a chance at life when you get sick/injured. I could go on but I think you get the picture.

[NickB79]

27. Anger can be a good motivator, if focused into determination

You're right though that unfocused anger usually doesn't help much.

[madokie]

29. what about nnadirs kind does it help him any

I say its going to kill him deader'n a doorknob if he doesn't get it tended too. I'm only concerned for you big guy but of course you already knew that didn't you.

[NickB79]

30. Agreed. NT

[angrycarpenter]

22. I am angrycarpenter

I am angry about a great many things. But I don't let it take over my life. There has to be some joy from somewhere or you get totally burned out and what friends you have will find a more cheerful person to hang out with.

You have to be warm and patient with your fellow humans. Taking out ones anger on the people who are ones allies will accomplish nothing.

[hunter]

35. The water situation in California ain't looking good either...

But thankfully there is not so much tritium in the water as there might have been had we built nuclear power plants with the same enthusiasm as the French.

[struggle4progress]

31. So ye is sayin th'next time ye finds th'nooklear waste in ya yard, ye kin jest

go t'th'doc and say Doc, I got me one helluva bladder infection, so how's bout hookin me up w'summa that there A-cee-tee-hide-rocks-a-mick acid stuff and th'next thing we know ye'll be separatin pluto and neptune from uranus jest like ye knew whatchew wuz doin?

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[phantom power]

34. Two questions:

1) Am I correct to assume this is a fuel purification process they're talking about?

2) Are they talking about turning the AHA itself into organic gasses, or some other compound? And why would they want to? Is it part of closed cycle?

[NNadir]

37. There are major advances now underway involving the chemistry of americium and curium and neptunium.

In general, all chemistry is now moving toward a prescale up examination of external costs, and the chemistry of actinides is a really vibrant participant in this movement. One task in the green chemistry movement is to try to control the end products of processes.

I will be writing on some aspects of americium and curium chemistry on another website where I am known to write. The whining there is less provincial.

Most work on the chemistry of these elements is energy related, although not all of it is. For instance today I read an interesting paper on the magnetic properties of Neptunium alloys. It's great stuff, very cool.

[Indenturedebtor]

39. I have never seen you explain anything. You just run around calling people stupid and

dropping big words and pasting other people's work without explaining what it means.

I'm inclined to think that you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. The most complicated ideas can be boiled down to an understandable format by a person who fully understands those ideas.

Why don't you make some effort to explain what your posting? :shrug:

[NNadir]

40. Whatever.

I couldn't care less about what you think I owe you.

If you don't like what I write you are perfectly free to ignore it.

[Indenturedebtor]

41. I'm not asking you for anything. Simply making an observation

Your posts strike me as the hit and run guys who jump into a thread about IQ and declare "My IQ's are 240's !!11!!1!!!! OMG WOOTZORS!!!11111!11!!!!! There is a Gods and he lives in my pantries!" :eyes:

[NNadir]

43. My posts are simply observations as well. I have, in fact, written about

my impressions of IQ's in another place, in considerable detail:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/11/19320/331/992/420040">A Note on This Race and IQ Business

I couldn't care less what you think of it, or what you think about anything at all. I have no impression of you whatsoever. Let's keep it that way.

[madokie]

44. You are just nasty to the core aren't you big guy

not one shred of humanity within those few square feet of skin covering your seemingly worthless ass is there? Jeeze louise, go get some fucking meds, your lack of empathy is making my ass hurt.

peace
have a good evening :evilgrin:

[HamdenRice]

47. One draw back of DU is that mentally ill people try to take over certain forums

What's even more remarkable is that those mentally ill people generally reveal that they are mentally ill in other contexts.

The 9/11 Forum has been ruined by one person who has written extensively about his mental illness outside DU, and yet trashes anyone who questions the Bush administration's excuses for what happened. The Religion/Theology forum has been taken over by certain victims of childhood religious abuse and excess who believe it is their duty to prevent any discussion of religion and theology.

And here we have a clearly mentally ill person who has annointed himself as the "beast master"/preventer of any rational discussion of energy in the Environment/Energy Forum.

Why can't this putz just be tombstoned, so we can get on with serious discussions?

[Indenturedebtor]

45. Observations that aren't spoken in common language are as good as grunts

What you're really trying to communicate is that you think you're smarter than everyone else. And frankly, if you couldn't care less what other people think than why bother speaking/typing at all? Honestly to play Dr. Phil - I think that you have issues with people labling you as stupid as a child when that is clearly not the case. Now you're running around the internet trying to show the world that you're smarter than everyone else. You're clearly smart so why don't you explain what your thoughts are and genuinely open them up for discussion?

BTW what you mentioned that what you took was a Thorndike test - which has quite a few known issues with accuracy. And it doesn't have so much to do with behavior as with accumulated knowledge as compared to your peers.. therefore it's known to be especially innacurate for children with learning disabilities. The stanford binet test is much more consistent even from childhood to adulthood as it focuses primarily on raw problem solving abilities of various forms (puzzles, math, verbal problems, relationships, analogy's, etc).

[madokie]

42. Well let me see,

I buy the americium cheeze every once in a while but I really like the holey kind, isreal cheeze or some such name, you know the white kind, the curium I use in all my chili recipes and a few others too, like one of my soups I use it in, its a good flavor and all. But this neptunium, what the hell you use that in, who would even have tried it to start with to even see it it was any good, maybe it was passed down through the bible or something:shrug:

jeeze some people will eat anything, huh and if they can't eat it some will try to fuck it, whats the deal with that anyway nnadir

[Indenturedebtor]

36. You crack me up man! Let me translate your post for the idiots around here

"I am smarter than you. Even though I can't offer a synopsis on this article, let me assure you that I understand it and you don't. Therefore you should let me do your thinking for you. Idiots. I can't believe I even waste my time cutting and pasting for you."

:rofl:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

46. I think I understood it.... he was trying to demonstrate the

increase in mileage this process will produce... right?

[Indenturedebtor]

48. Actually you fool the post was about transmogrifying the flux capacitor

8.7 Gigawatts! 8.7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111