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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:56 PM
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What is a "Rocket Scientist"??
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 10:56 PM by kgrandia
There's an article going absolutely nuts in the right-wing blogosphere (over 2,000 citations already) about an Australian who is reportedly a "Rocket Scientist" that believes C02 does not cause global warming. Example: http://www.infowars.com/?p=3501

I did a bit of digging today and wrote a backgrounder on the guy (link:http://www.desmogblog.com/who-is-rocket-scientist-david-evans) and also asked him where in his background was he a 'Rocket Scientist'?

Here's what he said:

In US academic and industry parlance, "rocket scientist" means anyone who has completed a PhD in one of the hard sciences at one of the top US institutions. The term arose for people who *could* do rocket science, not those who literally build rockets.Thus the term "rocket scientist" means someone with a PhD in physics, electrical engineering, or mathematics (or perhaps a couple of other closely related disciplines), from MIT, Stanford, Caltech, and maybe a few other institutions.

I did a PhD in electrical engineering at Stanford in the 1980s. Electrical engineering is your basic high tech degree, because most high technology spawned from electrical information technology. I specialized in signal processing, maths, and statistics.

Um, call me crazy, but isn't a "rocket scientist" one who builds, designs and/or deploys.... ROCKETS?

Like this guy: http://inventors.about.com/od/gstartinventors/a/Robert_Goddard.htm

Can anyone enlighten me?
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:00 PM
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1. Like him or not,
what he said is true in our arena.
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:03 PM
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3. Really?
So anyone with PhD in physics can call themselves a rocket scientist?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:07 PM
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7. Not unless he's okay with people thinking he's trying to show-off.
Even rocket scientists (narrowly defined) don't tend to CALL themselves rocket scientists.
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:08 PM
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8. Not literally, of course
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 11:09 PM by sailor65
but as the common expression is used. Pretty widespread in my industry actually.

On edit: Just to be clear, it's what we call each other, not ourselves.
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:11 PM
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10. credentials
It is not being used as an idiom - it is being used as a credential - a very, very prominent, high-level credential: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html

When discussing science, authority and credentials is very important as it lends very heavy to the claims being made.
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:34 PM
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16. I took your OP
to be asking whether the idiom or common usage were valid.

"In US academic and industry parlance" was a true statement (At least in my experience on the industry side). So I was clarifying only on that point.

But as a credential, of course not.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:39 PM
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18. The bizarre thing is
that at the top of his professional resume, he calls himself a "Rocket Scientist." He's an EE/computer/math guy, but none of his work has involved anything to do with rocketry or space.

No academic or top researcher outside the field would ever identify himself as a "Rocket Scientist" unless they wanted to be laughed out of the room.

This guy is a major self-promoter.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:43 PM
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22. Which industry is that?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:06 PM
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6. Not according to the Boeing rocket scientists I know.
I'm calling them rocket scientists because they actually design rockets.

It's also not true according to the PHD in EE non-rocket scientist I know. He doesn't consider himself to be a rocket scientist merely because he's smart enough to be one.
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:20 PM
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11. Heart attacks and foot doctors
You would never see a podiatrist in the news papers claiming to be a Cardiologist and speaking as an authority on obesity and heart disease. Just because someone has a PhD in medicine, doesn't mean he or she can claim to be an expert in all the specific areas of the field.

So all PhD's in engineering can tout themselves as a rocket scientist? Can they also call themselves as a civil engineer and a mechanical engineer?

Seems weird. I'm going to call someone at NASA in the morning.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:01 PM
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2. He's an electrical engineer
and no 'rocket scientist'. :rofl:

Just another climate change denier.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:04 PM
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4. It is also often used ironically
As in "Watch that rocket scientist try to put up his TV dish using that stapler!"
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:04 PM
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5. I once asked the same question. The answer, from the PhD engineers
I asked (all with degrees from the top schools), is that a rocket scientist is someone who designs rockets. Someone with an aeronautical engineering doctorate, perhaps, but PhD's with other degrees may end up in the field.

However, many people just use the term to mean "very smart person."
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:08 PM
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9. "Top Rocket Scientist"
He's being touted as being a "rocket scientist" by media on the issue of climate change - which is kind of weird - and it is lending him a lot of credibility.

Using it as an idiom would be very strange for the media to do.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:31 PM
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13. Here's why the media is doing it.
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 11:32 PM by pnwmom
He's calling himself a Rocket Scientist on his resume. I guess he thought it was better than calling himself, "David Evans, genius."

Which is very, very odd. I've never seen a technical resume with that at the top -- even a resume of someone who actually designs rockets -- and none of his work appears to have had anything to do with rocket design.

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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:33 PM
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14. Exactly
My point - thanks! Phew...
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:35 PM
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17. BTW
I am known to call myself Kevin Grandia, Genius - especially on resumes. :D
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:40 PM
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20. LOL. n/t
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:42 PM
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21. Yes, but you already have "Grand" in your name N/T
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:24 PM
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12. rocket scientist = my sister in law
PhD in Physics and works for NASA .... Solar Winds, cosmic "stuff," and trying to get
missions up to get data. She seldom goes to rocket launches but her card does say
rocket scientist.

BTW bush has really fucked up NASA too.
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:34 PM
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15. Makes sense
She is actually involved in the business of rockets, space exploration etc. Go figure.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:39 PM
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19. His bio
A Brief Biography of David Evans

David Evans was born in Sydney in 1961 and his family then moved to upstate New York, then Cambridge, England, then Griffith in NSW. When he was 11, in 1972, his parents became political staffers, so he moved to Canberra.

He attended the University of Sydney for five years from 1979 where he did science and engineering, and then spent a further five years at Stanford University at Palo Alto in California, doing a PhD in electrical engineering. Of that period as a post-graduate student in one of the most prestigious universities in the world he remarks:

I did a controversial thesis, which altered and extended some basic bits of the maths used in electrical engineering. The older professors strongly encouraged me, but many of the younger ones reacted very strongly and negatively against it, perhaps because it undermined their knowledge and thus their status. So much for science gracefully accepting and using better ideas as they arise!

After taking out his doctorate he worked for a year in Silicon Valley and then returned to Australia to write a book on the research he had done for his PhD. He had planned to spend a year or two writing, but during his writing he discovered "lots more interesting stuff and mainly did my own research until 1999". In the meantime, to support himself, he traded on the stock market and did some programming odd jobs.

In 1999, he got married but then crashed on the stock market and had to get a job. He started working as a consultant for the Australian Greenhouse Office where he wrote the software which the Australian Government uses to calculate its land-use carbon accounts for the Kyoto Protocol. Entitled FullCAM, the software models forests and agricultural systems and their exchanges of carbon with the atmosphere. It models individual plots, estates of plots, and spatial arrays of plots connected to spatial information such as rainfall, temperature, soil type, farming practices, and satellite images of clearing and revegetation.

At the same time he went back to the stock market and recovered from his crash of 1999. In 2006 he was able to leave the AGO to return to his own projects, which includes writing Geometric Fourier Analysis, a book with original mathematics that introduces a geometrical approach to Fourier analysis, improved methods in several areas of classical mathematics, and faster algorithms. He is also writing a word processor software package that handles equations, tables, and long documents properly.

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/DavidEvansbio.html

And his full article posted by himself online:

Why I Bet against Global Warming
Dr David Evans*

I devoted six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian government to estimate carbon emissions from land use change and forestry (Google on "FullCAM"). When I started that job, in 1999, the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty conclusive, but since then new evidence has weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause. I am now skeptical. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

In the late 1990s the evidence suggesting that carbon emissions caused global warming was basically:

1. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Proved in a laboratory a century ago.

2. Global warming has been occurring for a century, especially since 1975, and concentrations of atmospheric carbon have been rising for a century, especially since 1975. Correlation is not causation, but in a rough sense it looked like a fit.

3. Ice core data, starting with the first cores from Vostok in 1985, allowed us to measure temperature and atmospheric carbon going back hundreds of thousands of years, through several dramatic global warming and cooling events. To the temporal resolution then available (data points were generally more than a thousand years apart), atmospheric carbon and temperature moved in lock-step: there was an extremely high correlation, they rose and fell together. Talk about a smoking gun!

4. There weren't any other credible suspects for causing global warming. So presumably it had to be carbon emissions.

This evidence was good enough: not conclusive, but why wait until we are absolutely certain when we apparently need to act now? So the idea that carbon emissions were causing global warming passed from the scientific community into the political realm, and actions started to happen. Research increased, bureaucracies were formed, international committees met, and eventually the Kyoto protocol was signed in 1997---with the aim of curbing carbon emissions.

And the political realm, in turn, fed money back into the scientific community. By the late 1990s, lots of jobs depended on the idea that carbon emissions caused global warming. Many of them were bureaucratic, but there were a lot of science jobs created too. I was on that gravy train, making a high wage in a science job that would not have existed if we didn't believe carbon emissions caused global warming. And so were lots of people around me; and there were international conferences full of such people. And we had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet!

But starting in about 2000, the last three of the four pieces of evidence outlined above fell away or reversed. Using the same point numbers as above:

2. Closer examination of the last century using better data shows that from 1940 to 1975 the earth cooled at about 0.1ºC/decade while atmospheric carbon increased. But any warming effect of atmospheric carbon is immediate. By 2003 or so, we had discovered global dimming, which might be adequate to explain this 35-year non-correlation. But what had seemed like a good fit between recent atmospheric carbon and global warming now looks shaky, in need of the recently-discovered unquantified global dimming factor to explain 35 years of substantial cooling. I reckon the last century of correlation evidence now neither supports carbon emissions as the cause nor eliminates it. Further quantitative research on global dimming might rescue this bit of evidence, or it might weaken it further.

3. As more ice core data was collected, the temporal resolution was improved. By 2004 or so, we knew from the ice core data that in the warming events of the last million years, the temperature increases generally started about 800 years before the rises in atmospheric carbon started. Causality does not run in the direction I had assumed in 1999---it runs the opposite way. Presumably temperature rises cause a delayed rise in atmospheric carbon because it takes several hundred years to warm the oceans enough for the oceans to give off more of their carbon.

It is possible that rising atmospheric carbon in these past warmings then went on to cause more warming ("amplification" of the initial warming), but the ice core data does not prove that. It could just be that the temperature rose for some other reason, that this caused the oceans to raise the atmospheric carbon levels, and that the increased atmospheric carbon had an insignificant effect on the temperature.

The pre-2000 ice core data was the central evidence for believing that atmospheric carbon caused temperature increases. The new ice core data show that past warmings were not initially caused by rises in atmospheric carbon, and say nothing about the strength of any amplification. This piece of evidence casts reasonable doubt that atmospheric carbon had any role in past warmings, while still allowing the possibility that it had a supporting role.

4. A credible alternative suspect now exists. Clouds both reflect incoming radiation (albedo) and prevent heat from escaping (greenhouse), but with low clouds the albedo effect is stronger than the greenhouse effect. Thus low clouds cause net cooling (high clouds are less common and do the opposite). In October 2006, a team led by Henrik Svensmark showed experimentally that cosmic rays affect cloud formation, and thus that

Stronger sun's magnetic field
=> Fewer cosmic rays hit Earth
=> Fewer low clouds are formed
=> Earth heats up.

And, indeed, the sun's magnetic field has been stronger than usual for the last three decades. So maybe cosmic rays cause global warming. But investigation of this cause is still in its infancy, and it's far too early to judge how much of the global warming is caused by cosmic rays.

So three of the four arguments that convinced me in 1999 that carbon emissions caused global warming are now questionable.

The case for carbon emissions as the cause of global warming now just boils down to the fact that we know that it works in the laboratory, and that there is no strong evidence that global warming is definitely not caused by carbon emissions. Much the same can be said of cosmic rays---we have laboratory evidence that it works, and no definitely contradictory evidence.

So why did I bet against global warming continuing at the current rate? Let's return to the interaction between science and politics.

By 2000, the political system had responded to the strong scientific case that carbon emissions caused global warming by creating thousands of bureaucratic and science jobs aimed at more research and at curbing carbon emissions. This was a good and sensible response by big government to what science was telling them.

But after 2000 the evidence for carbon emissions gradually got weaker---better temperature data for the last century, more detailed ice core data, then laboratory evidence that cosmic rays precipitate low clouds. Future evidence might strengthen or further weaken the carbon emissions hypothesis. At what stage of the weakening should the science community alert the political system that carbon emissions might not be the main cause of global warming? None of the new evidence actually says that carbon emissions are definitely not the cause of global warming, there are lots of good science jobs potentially at stake, and if the scientific message wavers, then it might be difficult to recapture the attention of the political system later on. What has happened is that most research effort since 2000 has assumed that carbon emissions were the cause, and the alternatives get much less research or political attention.

(By the way, I quit my job in carbon accounting in 2005 for personal reasons. It had nothing to do with my weakening belief that carbon emissions caused global warming. I felt that the main value of our plant models was in land management and plant simulation, and that carbon accounting was just a by-product.)

Unfortunately, politics and science have become even more entangled. The science of global warming has become a partisan political issue, so positions become more entrenched. Politicians and the public prefer simple and less-nuanced messages. At the moment, the political climate strongly supports carbon emissions as the cause of global warming, to the point of sometimes rubbishing or silencing critics.

The integrity of the scientific community will win out in the end, following the evidence wherever it leads. But in the meantime, the effects of the political climate is that most people are overestimating the evidence in favour of carbon emissions as the cause of global warming. Which makes it a good time to bet the other way.

I would like to bet against carbon emissions being the main cause of the current global warming. But I can't bet on that directly, because all betting requires an unambiguous and measurable criterion. About the only related measure we can bet on is global temperature. So I accepted Brian's<1> bets about trends in global temperatures over the next 10 to 20 years. Basically, if the current warming trend continues or accelerates, then Brian will win; if the rate of warming slows, then I will win. Even if carbon emissions are not the main cause of this global warming, I can still lose:

* Global warming might be due to a side-effect of industrialization other than carbon emissions. Possible causes include atmospheric reactions of industrial chemicals that hinder the rate of low cloud formation.
* Global warming might be primarily due to a non-human cause, such as something related to the sun or to underground nuclear reactions. If this cause persists over the next 20 years, as it has for the last 30 years, then I will lose, but if it fades in the next decade, then I win.

I emphasize that we are making a bet involving odds and judgment. The evidence is not currently conclusive either for or against any particular cause of global warming. I think that it is possible that carbon emissions are the dominant cause of global warming, but in light of the weakening evidence I judge that probability to be about 20% rather than the almost 90% as estimated by the IPCC.

I worry that politics could seriously distort the science. Suppose that carbon taxes are widely enacted, but that the rate of global warming increase starts to decline by 2015. The political system might be under pressure to repay the taxes, so it might in turn put a lot of pressure on scientists to provide justifications for the taxes. Or the political system might reject the taxes and blame science for misinforming it, which could be a terrible outcome for science because the political system is powerful and not constrained by truth.

Some people take strong rhetorical positions on global warming. But the cause of global warming is not just another political issue that is subject to endless debate and distortions. The cause of global warming is an issue that falls into the realm of science, because it is falsifiable. No amount of human posturing will affect what the cause is. The cause just physically is there, and after sufficient research and time we will know what it is. Looking back in another 40 years, we will almost certainly know the answer, and Brian and I will be in agreement on the issue.

Given that betting is thus possible on this issue, it seems strange that some people who take strong positions and profit by those positions are not prepared to bet even a small amount of their own money. Betting something of one's own money adds, shall we say, credibility. And people whose own money is at stake try a little harder---a well known advantage of private business over public. A good side-effect of widespread betting would be a market in betting that would represent a community-wide best guess. Such markets exists in sports betting, and are the best predictors of game outcomes.

Let's hope for the planet's sake that I win the bets. Meanwhile let's do more research, and take cheap measures to curb carbon emissions!

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/DavidEvanswager.html
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:45 PM
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23. So this "rocket scientist" is a guy with a bunch of technical degrees who
has been jumping around doing various software projects in between speculating in the stock market and doing his "own research."

His degrees are impressive, but his performance since then doesn't add up to "rocket scientist" or lend any weight to his opinions about global warming, IMHO.

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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:55 PM
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26. Thanks for posting that in full even though it is fuel for skeptics
I will leave it up to you to de-bunk it.
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:46 PM
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24. I'm a rocket scientist
I'm an R&D chemist for a defense contractor.

I design and develop propellants, pyrotechnics, and explosives for use in rockets and warheads. These things include everything from shoulder launched weapons to motors for ejection seats, canopy ejection, etc.

Of course, trusting Alex Jones as a reliable source is sketchy, at best.

As far as I can tell, he's a hydrologist and not a 'rocket scientist' in the strictest sense of the word.
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:00 AM
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27. Which propellant has the highest specific impulse?
Sound like you cover mainly solid propellants that are "instant on" for military applications...
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:34 AM
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29. Yes, mostly solids.
We dabbled in hypergolics for a while, but the sensitivity and health risks outweighed the benefits. (MMH/IRFNA)

oh, the highest impulse recorded was Li/F/H2

The highest usable is LOX/LH2, like the RL-10 rocket.
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:15 AM
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30. Wow
Hypergolic propellants kick apogee.

I guess you are not a fan of hydrazine then?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:10 PM
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33. Whatever his degree is in he draws some precipitous conclusions:
Edited on Wed Jul-23-08 05:15 PM by JohnWxy
"The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980)."

NOw look, the temperature data is not a fucking strait line. YOu get annual fluctuations and also multiple year fluctuations. Just because the temperatures (if what he says is true) have gone down a few years that doesn't mean you can declare a trend 'dead'. There are many factors involved. it's not as simple as a trajectory of a fired howitzer shell. Declaring a trend overwith after a few years of variation one way isn't "kosher".

"What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise?"

and now he's stating a new short term trend. You can't declare a trend with just a few (annual) data points.

on edit: I meant this to be a response to original post.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:54 PM
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25. The funny thing is, it's often used sarcastically.
When people say, "What rocket scientist came up with this bright idea?"
they mean it was a really stupid idea, and that whoever came up with the idea is an idiot.

Google for "What rocket scientist came up with"
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:33 AM
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28. My dad
He started making his own rockets when he was a kid in the 30's and dreamed of going into space. A bit later he was working on the Redstone and Saturn rockets.


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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:35 PM
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31. I always thought "rocket scientist" implied a bit of daring and danger.
Rocket scientists design machines that are capable of exploding or crashing into things at very high velocities if some tiny miscalculation is made, or some random glitch occurs. If a tiny speck of dust or an itsy-bitsy spark doesn't have the potential to turn your expensive machine into deadly incandescent shrapnel, shockwaves, and fireballs, than you are not doing rocket science.

If high power computers exploded like bombs whenever there was a slight bug in the code, then computer scientists would be rocket scientists. Otherwise the only computer scientists who are rocket scientists are those writing the code that controls inherently dangerous, unstable, and potentially explosive things like, um, rockets.

If you are walking down the railroad tracks listening to some right wing moron on the radio and you don't hear the train rushing up behind you, well then, that's not rocket science no matter what kind of engineer or scientist you happen to be.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:58 PM
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32. The RW blogosphere has already posted this horseshit here on DU
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:14 PM
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35. There's a difference.
Here you can see that the guy is an unemployed twit that made a bar bet on GW with a friend. The right has taken THAT as evidence from "a rocket scientist" to bolster their tenuous grasp on an obviously wrongheaded position.

Read the guys bio and the full statement then go forth and conquer.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:12 PM
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34. Whatever his degree is in he draws some precipitous conclusions:
"The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980)."

NOw look, the temperature data is not a fucking strait line. YOu get annual fluctuations and also multiple year fluctuations. Just because the temperatures (if what he says is true) have gone down a few years that doesn't mean you can declare a trend 'dead'. There are many factors involved. it's not as simple as a trajectory of a fired howitzer shell. Declaring a trend overwith after a few years of variation one way isn't "kosher".

"What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise?"

and now he's stating a new short term trend. You can't declare a trend with just a few (annual) data points.



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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:15 PM
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36. The one thta jumped out at me was the heat island effect...
That was corrected for long ago.
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