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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:41 PM
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X-posted from GD: Any solar power users here on DU?
I'm writing an article on solar power and, out of curiosity, I am wondering if any DUers use solar power for either their home or perhaps in a remote location such as a cabin or off-grid home, in your business, or in some other way.

If so, please discuss in this thread.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:45 PM
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1. If I win the lottery I'll convince my landlord to let me cover the roof
of my clinic with PV.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:49 AM
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6. Oh please! Solar energy is cheap! It's growing exponentially! It's affordable!
There's been a brazillion breakthroughs!

You need to win the lottery?

You must be joking.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:52 PM
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2. I do.
I live on a sailboat and have two 130 watt kyocera panels, generating about 10 amps/hour a piece. They produce more power than we use (about 100 amphours/day) in the summer. We are in Southern California and generally anchored somewhere with no obstructions.

We have 6 golf cart type batteries and the solar power feeds directly into them after flowing through the regulator. The regulator keeps the voltage at a level that the batteries can tolerate.

We live mostly off 12 volt systems. We do have an alternator to produce 110 for the outlets, but use that only when needed.

The solar panels supply everything, including my extra large refrigeration system (for a boat, that is). The only thing we can't really do is run the water heater, but we have a solar shower and have plenty of hot water through that.

We are considering getting a wind generator as our solar output can drop significantly in the winter.

Anyway, I hope that is helpful to you. I look forward to other's responses!

:hi:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:51 PM
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3. My Mom's off the grid.
Heat, hot water, refrigerator and stove are LP and the modified sine-wave inverter isn't up to the task (true sine-wave inverters are much less expensive now) and burned out the electronics in her Staber washer - but only after seven years. Despite this shortcoming, she's had seven plus years of comfort, all the satellite TV/DVD watching and plenty of CFL lighting for those cold winter nights.

The windmills didn't work out. They're nearly a half mile from the house on a ridge and the cost of the #0-1 copper wire alone was incredible - and would be prohibitive now. Then the building inspector insisted the windmill towers not be higher than 30' and that the run down to the house be installed to utility standards. Way too much money invested for any reasonable payoff and the power production is spotty, at best. Add to that those comical rednecks who think shooting at someone else's property is downright hysterical.... Yeah, we lost one.

The sixteen 80 watt solar panels (~$12K installed with an Outback PWM charger), on the other hand, generally have the batteries fully charged by 11 a.m. on a sunny day, and she can't use power fast enough while the sun is shining to avoid "wasting" electricity - laundry, fans, vacuum cleaner and stereo.

The battery bank is set up with three strings of Trojan T-105's at 48v/615 amp hours - a total of 24 batteries costing ~$1,350. There is monthly watering and yearly cleaning to keep the batteries in good condition and, using about 30 amp hours/day (actually, pretty wasteful), she's got a 16 day reserve for sucky winter weather.

Batteries can't remain in a discharged state for long or they'll develop sulfate crystals and lose capacity - eventually to the point of total failure. However, I am not aware that she's gone more than three days at a time without charging, even in the dead of winter. AFIK, as long as they're being charged, they don't have to get to 100% every day to be protected from sulfation.

It's hard to find reliable information on sulfation on the nets 'cause there are so many people and companies selling additives and gadgets to prevent it, with the opposite stance being "overcharge, overcharge, overcharge". The middle ground is "maintain, charge regularly and equalize (overcharge to balance the cells) once a month.

Given that the solar panels and Outback charger never supply more than 16 amps in direct sunlight (~2.6% of the battery capacity) there is little to no possibility of heating the batteries to destruction when equalizing. However, you've got to be careful pumping too much amperage into any battery bank - 10% capacity is pushing it, so both capacity and projected use need to be considered when sizing the battery bank. Bigger, within reason, is always better and will last longer.

Additionally, larger batteries, like those used on forklifts, have a much longer lifespan than smaller batteries with multiple cells, but you pay for that extra capacity and lifespan up front.

Finally, the plates inside the battery have got to be covered with distilled water/sulfuric acid solution or they will be ruined. They should always be filled before equalization, but we've found a monthly check to be sufficient.

If I were to do it all again:

1) Total DC system with DC appliances - including a marine refrigeration system, car stereo and RV appliances. The $2.5-$4.5K saved on the sinewave inverter would buy a lot of extra batteries, panels and 24v electronics.
2) Industrial batteries.
3) One small windmill near the house to capture energy on stormy nights and during bad weather. The chemical process batteries utilize to store energy is finite. Keeping the batteries charged to capacity as much as possible at all times will increase the lifespan immensely.
4) Small, really well insulated passive solar house.
5) Wood stove (and enough land for a woodlot).
6) Solar hot water and an on-demand LP water heater instead of the tank heater.

I'm not preaching Gospel here, just what I've observed in practice in eight years and tried to learn over the past thirty. Please do check any facts and figures 'cause, as I said, there's a lot of misinformation out there and I may have got a bum steer or two along the way.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:21 AM
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8. Excellent information. Thanks for posting! =) n/t
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GreenGreenLimaBean Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:01 PM
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4. 3.3kw system on my roof
Courtesy of Austin Energy....it generates around 500kw-hrs per month on average.....Austin Energy provided a $4 per watt rebate for the system, otherwise I wouldn't have it....they also allow me to put my excess onto the grid, which runs my meter backwards (pretty cool to see). Right now I'm generating about 2800watts, but it's 102 degrees outside, so my AC is eating up all that free juice....

cheers,
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:05 AM
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5. Solar water heating retrofit.
Installed in June '08.
4' X10' panel on south facing roof.
Small drain-down tank and 80 gal. holding tank in utility room next to electric water heater.
Small electric pump circulates water when temp in roof heat exchanger/collector reaches pre-determined setting.
When outside temp approaches freezing, collector automatically drains.

The solar holding tank is connected to the electric 'immersion' heater tank. As I understand it, as long as water into the electric heater is higher temp than called for (125 F.) then the electric heater doesn't come on, but it's still there for a series of cloudy days.

It cost $5000 & change.
$1500 federal tax credit.
Total cost about $3500.
Payback about 3-3 1/2 years for the two of us at current electricity costs.

We're very happy with it.

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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:57 AM
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7. I power my camping/radio trailer with solar power
A Group 1 AGM Battery and 160 watts of solar cells on the roof. It is a 6 by 10 foot enclosed trailer, and I love it.

No noise, and plenty of power for my needs.

Not that I use it everyday, but I often take it with me for a week or more, a lot less intrusive than a generator.
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