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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:43 PM
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Get Rid of Coal and Use Trees Instead, Urges Hansen
Get Rid of Coal and Use Trees Instead, Urges Hansen
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/wood-not-coal.php

Climatologist James Hansen backs Biochar!
http://eclipsenow.blogspot.com/2008/09/climatologist-james-hansen-backs.html

Curbing Coal Emissions Alone Might Avert Climate Danger, Say Researchers
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080910160757.htm

Phase out coal and burn trees instead, urges leading scientist
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/phase-out-coal-and-burn-trees-instead-urges-leading-scientist-929889.html

Implications of “peak oil” for atmospheric CO2 and climate
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007GB003142.shtml

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:47 PM
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1. If that is what it takes....
but cutting down trees (even if replanted) is not going to power our future.

I hate seeing forests cut down.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:39 AM
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12. A good deal of forest is new growth.
You gotta plant a tree for every one you cut down. Didn't read the article but I'd be surprised if they weren't talking about tree farming basically.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:54 PM
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2. Heck, let's just burn the poor...

... while they've still got some fat on 'em!

/channeling unquiet spirit of Dick Cheney

:yoiks:

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:01 PM
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3. OK, I can play straight-man...
what wattage does Mr. Hansen think we can extract from the world's forests. Sustainably. That is to say, without burning them all down.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 09:56 AM
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4. And nuclear, urges Hansen
Just to set the record straight.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:28 AM
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10. Not in the near-term, and it has serious issues over the longer term.
He also said, "Near-term demands for energy can be satisfied via a real emphasis on energy efficiency and renewable energies."


Your public statements recognize the climate problem and indicate a desire to do what is right for the environment, the young generation, and your rate-payers. However, your suggestion that new, more efficient coal-fired power plants, which do not capture CO2, can be part of a solution ignores the basic facts and urgency of terminating coal emissions. Dirty, inefficient coal plants must be replaced to avoid climate disasters, but only by choosing options from energy efficiency, renewable energies, nuclear power, and coal plants that capture all emissions, including CO2.

Near-term demands for energy can be satisfied via a real emphasis on energy efficiency and renewable energies. Neither carbon sequestration nor nuclear power can help in the near-term, and they both have serious issues even over the longer term. But Massachusetts and California have demonstrated the tremendous potential of efficiency aided by appropriate incentives.

Plans for over 50 coal-fired power plants nationwide have been dropped in recent months due to rising construction and coal prices, unpredictable carbon costs, and concerns about climate change. Near-term energy needs can be met with massive but feasible conservation and efficiency programs, cogeneration, solar, wind, and biomass generation. Diversifying generation has other benefits -- creating jobs, conserving water, and minimizing the possibility of terrorist acts against the grid, about which former CIA Director James Woolsey recently warned the National Governors' Association.

Recently I testified as climate expert in suits filed by the automobile manufacturers against vehicle greenhouse gas regulations in California and Vermont. The manufacturers lost both cases, and they are going to be scrambling to improve vehicle efficiency. As you know, another suit has been filed, on behalf of the Inuit of Kivalina, against ExxonMobil, Duke Energy, and others who bear special responsibility for the emissions that drive climate change.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/4/1/16055/76057


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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:06 AM
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5. The British Government decreed exactly this approach.
Of course that was in 1306.

By the 1580's Queen Elizabeth I was commissioning a study to find out why there were NO trees in England.

London had less than 100,000 people.

Basically the renewables will save crowd, with their contempt for intellect, want to ignore history as well as science.

I wrote about this about 50 billion tons of dangerous fossil fuel waste dumping ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x55148
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:08 AM
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:14 AM
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7. Did the cat piss in your conflakes again? nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:20 AM
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8. No, but NNutcase is still an idiot.
Nothing will ever change that.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 11:21 AM
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9. Grab a mirror. nt
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