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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 03:21 AM
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America's oldest ice discovered... then it melts


Seen emerging from a mud cliff, the smooth, near-black surfaces look like a long-lost objects from some high-tech civilisation. In fact, they are huge chunks of ice – the oldest ice ever found in North America.

More than 750,000 years old, the wedges have survived through times when the planet was even warmer than it is today. Duane Froese of the University of Alberta in Canada and colleagues say their discovery could us predict the fate of the deep Arctic permafrost and its frozen methane stores.

Ice wedges form when spring melt-water runs into fissures and freezes. Thermal expansion widens the cracks and allows the wedge to grow, up to around 3 metres wide and 6 metres deep.

The team discovered the ancient ice several years ago at Dominion Creek – a site in the Canadian Yukon, just east of the Alaskan border. It had been exposed by mining activities in the area. They were able to date it thanks to a layer of ancient volcanic ash that had been deposited a few dozen centimetres above its top margin. The ash was about 740,000 years old, making the ice the oldest known in North America.

"Much of the relic ice in the region dates to the last 100,000 years and most to the last 25,000 years," says Froese.
Carbon store

Remarkably, this means the Dominion Creek ice wedges must have survived two interglacial ages: 120,000 and 400,000 years ago. Computer models estimate that temperatures at the time rose to between 2 °C and 3 °C higher than the average today, which to Froese "illustrates how stubborn permafrost can be in the face of climate warming".

Permafrost is ground that remains frozen all year round. This arrests the decay of vegetation, preventing the carbon which it contains from being released into the atmosphere as greenhouse gases.

But Froese's findings do not mean that the Arctic permafrost, including the huge stores that cover much of Siberia, will survive the few degrees of warming predicted for the end of this century.

For starters, Andrew Slater of the University of Colorado points out that although they are surrounded by permafrost, the ice wedges themselves are very different. "A block of solid ice like this wedge takes considerably more energy to thaw than a mixture of soil, ice and organic matter," he says.

More: http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn14756-americas-oldest-ice-discovered-then-it-melts.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_dn14756
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:32 AM
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1. The headline is misleading: this wasn't found in America, it was found in CANADA
:P
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 01:58 PM
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3. Canada is in America. So is Chile, for that matter.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:03 PM
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4. When did you get YOUR PhD in geography?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:42 PM
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5. North America consists of Canada, Mexico, and the United States of America.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 02:43 PM by kestrel91316
South America consists of Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile, Peru, and the rest. Central America consists of Guatemala and Belize, south to Panama and includes all states inbetween.

AMERICA consists of North America plus Central America plus South America.

I learned my geography in 5th grade.

When people of the United States refer to our nation, we often say "America", but that's not technically correct.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:58 PM
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6. This is why the Democrats lose every election
You just act like you're better than everyone else with your 5th grade education. :eyes:
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:20 AM
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7. What??
Am I missing your sarcasm smiley?

Just admit that you were wrong and move on.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:58 AM
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9. I don't care if I'm right or wrong
All I care about is my love of God and Country. :patriot:

And no, I'm NOT Canadian. :eyes:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:47 AM
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2. Crap!!! who fucking defrosted the freezer!!!! Damn it to hell!!
:rofl:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:28 AM
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8. Maybe this is where Scarah found Fred and Barney's footprints next to Dino. n/t
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