steven johnson
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Mon Jul-27-09 10:26 PM
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Nissan EV range: 2010=100 miles, 2012=185 miles, 2015=250 miles |
comtec
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Tue Jul-28-09 02:17 AM
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1. That is complete and utter BULLSHIT!!! |
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The TESLA, a PERFORMANCE CAR got at least 200 MILES on a charge!
Unless they are looking at making these things cost like 5000 dollars, those numbers are such utter BULLSHIT I cam not believe they would even try to foist that crap on us!!!
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Tue Jul-28-09 02:28 AM
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2. The Tesla costs $109,000... |
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I would suspect Nissan is aiming for less than $40K, and hopefully gets under $30K.
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Tue Jul-28-09 03:15 AM
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3. But the EV1 did that range |
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and it cost a HELL of a lot less than the Tesla, and that was in the late 80's/early 90's.
I never cease to be amazed by the utter bullshit the car companies bring us for "electric alternatives" when people have been modifying their own cars over to electric for over 30 years now.
They get the range Nissan is advertising, and they did nothing but strap on an electric rotator and a bunch of batteries! OLD school batteries at that.
I just can't believe the bullshit they are sending our way, it is really unbelievable.
but you do have a point about the cost of the Tesla.
The sedan version they were planning for 40K or so, was going to have the same range, but much less performance, IIRC.
I do wonder what the world would have been like if Tesla had been allowed to do his "free energy" experiments on a large scale.
Would we have been running on electrics for 100+ years now with only farm and trucks being run on bio diesel?
it's a nice thought at least.
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Tue Jul-28-09 09:11 AM
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4. The EV1 was never sold, it was leased. |
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GM subsidized the cost of the car so that they could sell their other cars in California. The average price of the lease was $599/month, which indicates the car was worth well over $50k. The common estimate is that each EV1 cost about $80K to produce.
The Tesla Model S is stated to retail for $57K, not $40K. This car will only have a range of 160 miles at that price, compared to 240 for the roadster.
Yes, people have been modifying their cars for years, but they modify them mostly with lead acid batteries, which are "old school" batteries. These are cheap, but have very limited range (usually less than 40 miles.) An off the shelf home conversion costs about $8k for the electronics, $3k for the batteries.
In order to get 100+ mile range, you'll need to go to a battery that's lighter and more expensive than lead. Right now, lithium batteries are the top choice, and they cost about 3-4 times what lead acid costs per KWh. In order to get 100 miles with lithium batteries, you're talking $10-20K just for the batteries, which is why these cars currently cost so much. Nissan is building it's own battery plant in Tennessee, so hopefully their costs will drop.
You might want to read up on this subject and get the facts. It's a fascinating area of research.
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Tue Jul-28-09 03:43 PM
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6. Nissan sounds like they may be jumping into the lead in this area. They might pull an around the |
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Tue Jul-28-09 08:27 PM
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Toyota seems to be married to hybrids, which is a big cash cow for them.
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Tue Jul-28-09 03:13 PM
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5. 250 miles in 3 years. Not bad. |
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At that rate they'll reach the moon in 5115, give or take a year.
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