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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:56 PM
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Climate change Russian roulette
Mounting scepticism and deadlocked negotiations have culminated in an announcement that the Copenhagen climate conference will not result in a comprehensive global climate deal. Disappointing? Certainly. But the summit was always meant to be a transitional step. The most important thing to consider is where we will go from here.

The phrase "the day after" is most commonly associated with the word "hangover". The absence of a binding agreement could mean a global hangover, and not just for a day. Fed up with apocalyptic predictions, people wanted a miracle in Copenhagen. So a perceived failure may cause a massive, perhaps irreversible, loss of confidence in our politicians. No surprise, then, that governments have sought to manage our expectations carefully.

Decision-makers have not faced up to just how close the world may be to the climate "tipping point". But, while a runaway climate remains a risk, runaway politics are already a fact. Official negotiations are removed from reality. According to the latest science, the current proposals under negotiation will result in warming of more than 4C during this century – double the 2C maximum endorsed by the G8 and other leaders. That leaves a higher than 50% probability of the world's climate moving past its tipping point.

An agreement based on the parameters that are now on the negotiating table would thus put us in a position more dangerous than a game of Russian roulette. To avoid both the global hangover of no deal and the self-deception of a weak deal, a breakthrough is needed – and can still be achieved in Copenhagen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/dec/03/mikhail-gorbachev-climate-change-copenhagen
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:00 PM
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1. After spending eight years
being sick to the stomach because of Bush' environmental policies, it was an enormous relief for Obama to win.
Now, the crap has started again with ClimateGate.


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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:02 PM
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2. The Democratic wing of the Corporate Party doesn't dare get serious about the environment either
n/t
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:04 PM
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3. Being serious about the environment and signing a suicide pact are not the same thing.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:20 PM
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4. Nor will those who parrot the rhetoric of corporate spokes-folk ever support such serious efforts
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:34 PM
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5. Appears
The suicide pact will happen as long as god is in his/her heaven and all's right with the world!
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:36 AM
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6. Correct - they are opposites.
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 05:40 AM by Nihil
> Being serious about the environment and signing a suicide pact
> are not the same thing.

Not being serious about the environment *is* signing a suicide pact.

ETA: On reflection, the above isn't accurate ... not being serious
about the environment is signing a genocide and mass extinction pact.

Suicide we could cope with. Wholesale slaughter is harder.
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