At the risk of being laughed out of town again.... this job posting

[HysteryDiagnosis]

for a senior mechanical engineer is out there. There will be the people who will crawl out of the woodwork and demand that there is nothing to this science but I feel otherwise after having read the papers available on the site. I hope a deserving individual can take this position and help bring about a revolution in energy technology.

www.blacklightpower.com

Job Listing: http://www.blacklightpower.com/careers.shtml

As BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) continues to refine its hydrogen-based energy technology, it progresses toward commercialization of its inventions. To fulfill this vision of commercialization, BLP has created a working environment that promotes exploration, breaking new ground, and passion for success and achievement. Join our world-class team of diligent problem solvers, innovators, fresh thinkers and communicators who excite and inspire others. Add your skills, motivation, and strong work ethic to BLP and make a difference globally.

BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) offers competitive compensation, comprehensive benefits packages, employee stock options, and the professional advantage of an environment that supports your development and recognizes your achievements. BLP is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

SENIOR MECHANICAL ENGINEER

Qualified applicants may post, fax, or e-mail résumés including salary requirements and references to:

Human Resources
BlackLight Power, Inc.
493 Old Trenton Road,
Cranbury, NJ 08512
FAX: [phone]
[e-mail]

[Goldstein1984]

1. I struggle with Hydrogen power from the perspective of

thermodynamics.

There are no hydrogen reserves. Hydrogen, which exists at a high energy state, has to be produced by putting a lot of energy into a system. On source of H2 is fossil fuels, which is composed of carbon and hydrogen, along with other contaminants. Another is electrolysis of water using electricity, which requires energy from some other sources.

Hydrogen may serve as a very portable fuel, but, with my limited understanding of the technology, I struggle to think of it as an efficient source of energy.

Would love to learn more.

Thanks for posting this.

G1984

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. There is much there to check out, too much in fact,

http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory/theory.shtml




Above: Orbitsphere Supercurrent. The bound electron exists as a spherical two-dimensional supercurrent, an extended distribution of charge completely surrounding the nucleus. Unlike a spinning sphere, there is a complex pattern of motion on its surface (indicated by arrows) that give rise to two orthogonal angular momentum vectors that give rise to the phenomenon of electron spin.

Blacklight technology is based on the innovative Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics (GUT-CP) which is the theory that physical laws (Maxwell's Equations, Newton's Laws, Special and General Relativity) must hold on all scales. The theory is based on an often overlooked result of Maxwell's Equations, that an extended distribution of charge may, under certain conditions, accelerate without radiating. This "condition of no radiation" is invoked to solve the physical structure of subatomic particles, atoms, and molecules.

In exact closed-form equations with physical constants only, solutions to thousands of known experimental values arise that were beyond the reach of previous theory. These include the electron spin, g-factor, multi-electron atoms, excited states, polyatomic molecules, wave-particle duality and the nature of the photon, the masses and families of fundamental particles, and the relationships between fundamental laws of the universe that reveal why the universe is accelerating as it expands. GUT-CP is successful over 85 orders of magnitude, from the level of quarks to the cosmos.

[Goldstein1984]

3. WOW!

This is beyond my limited education in engineering and biology.

But I think it illustrates that we need something revolutionary.

I worry that the big players have too much invested in their current business model to let something revolutionary happen. I recently read that ExxonMobil bought into Craig Venter's algae-to-fuel technology, and I speculate that their $600 million investment included control of the product.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. You may download an extensive amount of information here, and

you can understand it.

ON EDIT to add, the unrecommenders are afoot.


http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory/bookdownload.shtml
"The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics"

by Dr. Randell L. Mills

June 2008 Edition

Book Download
Back to Dr. Mills' Book Abstract and Reviews Page

***Please note, the book is in DjVu format. To view it, download the DjVu Browser Plug-In.***
Entire Book (37.58MB) - Updated 09/09/09
Volume 1: Atomic Physics (7.23MB) - Updated 09/09/09
Classical Physics (CP) model of the structure of the electron and the photon used to solve atoms and their states and the subsequent closed-form solutions of the fundamental experiments of atomic physics.

Volume 2: Molecular Physics (23.34MB) - Updated 09/09/09
The solution of the 26 parameters of hydrogen molecular ions and molecules from two basic equations, one to calculate geometric parameters and the other to calculate energies, and the extension of these results to solve the majority of the important functional groups of chemistry that serve as building blocks to give the exact solutions of the majority of possible molecules and compositions of matter.

Volume 3: Collective Phenomena, High-Energy Physics and Cosmology (6.99MB) - Updated 09/09/09
Collective phenomena such as the basis of the statistical thermodynamic relationships and superconductivity, the basic forces and structure of matter on the nuclear scale and the cosmological ramifications of CP such as the identity of absolute space that unifies all frames of reference, solves the nature of the gravitational and inertial masses and their equivalence, gives the derivation of Newton's second law, and solves the origin of gravity, the families and masses of fundamental particles, and large-scale features and dynamics of the universe including the prediction of the current acceleration of the cosmic expansion. The central enigmas of quantum mechanics mainly regarding the wave-particle duality are also resolved classically.

Appendices are included in Volume 3

[Goldstein1984]

7. Who would unrec this? Why?

Thanks, bookmarked the site in my Energy folder.

G1984

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. I think I have haters. That's my take on it. Oh bother. n't

[Goldstein1984]

11. In my short time here I think I've acquired a few too.

One of them was kicked out of DU yesterday.

I hope to use my posts and recs more productively.

I have yet to use an unrec. My recs are given without regard to whether I agree or not, but are based on whether I think an OP contributes to discussion or just provides good information.

Again, thanks for this post.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. No problem... I tried to unrec my post just to see.... funny that, here

is an excerpt of what they hope to accomplish in the near future...


http://www.blacklightpower.com/applications.shtml
BlackLight Power Plants

Based on the observed energy gain and successful thermal regeneration of the solid fuel, the Company believes that environmentally friendly power plants can be operated continuously as power and regeneration reactions are maintained in synchrony using commercially available equipment. The system may be self-contained except that only the hydrogen consumed in forming hydrinos need be replaced as molecular hydrino is released. Hydrogen can be obtained ultimately from the water at an insignificant rate of one-millionth of a liter per second per kilowatt electric power due to the two hundred times energy gain relative to hydrogen combustion. Based on this and other competitive advantages, new power-generation business opportunities of distributed generation and hydrogen-fuel production as a replacement for gasoline with large markets may exist even at power scales that are achievable in the near term using readily available commercial equipment.

With simple systems, commercial levels of power can be generated at typical power-plant operating temperatures and at higher power densities. The power was also found to be linearly scalable. BlackLight's commercial development of the energy technologies will focus on optimization of the BlackLight Process, energy device optimization, staged scale-up of power devices, and build-out of power plants. BlackLight expects scale-up engineering activity to take place in parallel with process optimization and device optimization, and intends to significantly increase the number of engineers and scientists dedicated to commercial development. One of the activities of our engineers will be interfacing with the thousands of engineers at design, architecture, and engineering firms around the world, contracted to perform certain aspects of the development work. Based on empirical data and experience, BlackLight believes it is reasonable to scale in factors of ten to one hundred. BlackLight then intends to rely on existing technologies to convert thermal power to electric power. As BlackLight devices generate surface heat at grades comparable to existing commercial fire boxes in natural gas and coal-fired plants, existing heat-to-electric technologies such as gas turbine, micro-turbine and Sterling engines can be melded with BlackLight power cells to generate electricity, as well as space and process heat.

[jimshoes]

12. There's a squad of freeper munchkins that unrec every thread

no matter what it is about. It's automatic. They are like a teenager who just found out how to jack off.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. Give them all coupons to the optometrist... you know what they

say... "can I do it until I need glasses???".... heh!!

[Goldstein1984]

15. That fits the pattern I'm seeing

They don't even know what they unrec.

[eppur_se_muova]

23. People who know pseudoscience when they see it. nt

[geckosfeet]

4. Water.

[Goldstein1984]

6. Yes, that's the only clean reserve of hydrogen we have, but...

you have to use energy to separate the H2 from the H20, and you put in a lot more than you get out.

Hydrogen fuel has the luxury of producing only water as an emission. (I wonder whether there will be a humidity standard?).

I would love to see a workable way to use H2 from H20.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. The word is, that the catalyst that is used to free the hydrogen

and the electricity is used is minimal compared to the energy given off. They are saying that they are getting 200x the btu's that would be produced by burning the same amount of hydrogen. It's in a word, uncanny.

[Goldstein1984]

10. I was sure there had to be catalysts involved

I'll definitely give this some study.

Thanks for the post. Good stuff.

G1984

[madokie]

18. This is so much bullshit it hurts the brain just reading this

uncanny is right.

gemminy crickets man get a grip

[HysteryDiagnosis]

19. I guess I like it to much to give it a critical eye. That's me. n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

22. There are terms for such people.

"Marks" ... "suckers" ... "patsies" ...

Oh, and "soon parted from his money" ;)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

26. Yes there are. n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

28. "Uncanny" is not really the description I would have chosen.

If they were getting out that much energy, they could collect the potassium salts produced, electrolyze them to make elemental postassium, then combine those to make potassium hydride again. You then resubmit that to the BLP process, creating more energy, recycle the potassium and hydrogen again ... in an INFINITE LOOP, getting a huge amount of energy out each time, without ever consuming ANYTHING! UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY FROM POTASSIUM HYDRIDE!! Say, how much does KH cost, anyway?

WU-88297-51
Potassium hydride, 30 wt.% dispersion in mineral oil (25g) $55.00 / each

Oh, who cares! We've got FREE ENERGY!!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

31. There is no such thing as free energy.... a small amount of water

I think I read one millionth of a litre per second to keep the reaction going. Not too hard to understand if you actually read the documentation.

[eppur_se_muova]

37. Not good enough. You have to read it with a critical mind.

There's a HUGE pile of sloppy assumptions preceding their analysis of the data. Make enough assumptions, you can prove anything, but your results will still be irreproducible in anyone else's laboratory. Calorimetry data is particularly unforgiving to the insufficiently wary -- ask anyone who tried doing specific heat measurements, or enthalpy of melting ice, in Intro Chem lab (and BLP's claim relies heavily on calorimetry as "evidence").

Here's some interesting reading (thanks to OnlinePoker for providing the name): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ernst_Worrell_Keely
Note that ALL of modern physics has been worked out since this guy died without anyone "rediscovering" his work, he never actually wrote down his "theory", there's ample evidence that the demonstrations were ingeniously faked, and STILL he has defenders who believe he was unfairly discredited. BLP will end up the same way -- an interesting case history in deception and gullibility, not scientific discovery.

Interesting background at http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/signs.html . Note that BLP shows six of the seven warning signs (they're not claiming it's centuries-old "ancient wisdom").



ETA: While BLP may not explicitly CLAIM to produce energy from nothing, that is exactly the consequence of the claims they are making, if you follow the logic I outlined in my previous post. They have posited exactly the conditions required to produce a continuous output of energy without net consumption of materials. They may attribute it to other things, but the inescapable conclusion is there. They can't claim to be producing huge amounts of excess energy without *implicitly* claiming to be able to produce potassium hydride in a closed loop with energy only leaving the system.

Oh, wait -- apparently now it's not just potassium that's a catalyst, it's also sodium, or possibly lithium -- wasn't it originally chromium? It seems every single element they test shows this amazing effect that NO ONE ELSE has ever noticed, despite the fact that these elements have been known and used for ages -- what ARE the odds??

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. One other thing.... if you haven't seen this you certainly will

appreciate what minute anounts of hydrogen can do for the combustion process in a diesel engine... too bad the big 3 or 4 went the route of soot traps which have given them headaches to no end.

http://www.hy-drive.com/

[madokie]

17. One of the best ways to get hydrogen is with a gasifier

using any carbon based fuel you can find, even grass as far as that goes.

[NNadir]

25. Has anyone ever told you that carbon based fuels are dangerous?

No?

Sometimes I think all the anti-nukes here must work for Exxon or some strip mining companies, since are so willing all the time to stand here and praise carbon based poisons.

[madokie]

30. Are you so out of it that you don't understand what a gasifier is and does

I've been building gasifier wood heating stoves for 35 year or more that burn with a pretty good reduction in co2 over just burning wood the traditional way. Hell after the fire is started you can't see any smoke nor can you smell any wood burning coming from them. The chimneys never need cleaning even after many years of use and no matter how low of a fire you have going, btw where most of the pollution from a wood stove comes from.

At the right now we have to use something to heat our homes with, to light our homes with, to cook our meals with and on and on so any reduction in co2 being produced in providing any of that is a good thing.

What have you done lately for your planet??? I'm doing something every single cold day everytime one of my friends use one of my gasifier stoves.


We'll not be increasing our use of nuke power in the near term and I doubt that we will in the long term.

[NNadir]

33. It's pretty funny who lectures whom on gasification. Here's my top ten files from something...

...called the "primary scientific literature."

The number of anti-science people who have a directory of this type in their files is, um, zero, because obviously they are clueless.

First here are my directories on gasification:

C:\Users\xxx\Documents\s\E&E\Bio & Other Alt. Fuel\Gasification\Catalytic Gasification

C:\Users\xxx\Documents\s\E&E\Bio & Other Alt. Fuel\Gasification\Molten Carbonates\Waste Paper

C:\Users\xxx\Documents\s\E&E\Bio & Other Alt. Fuel\Gasification\Reforming - Syn Gas - wastes\Plastics

C:\Users\\Documents\s\E&E\Bio & Other Alt. Fuel\Gasification\Supercritical Fluids\Supercritical Water\Salts In SCW

Some selected papers from the many hundreds in these directories:

J.Supercrit.Flui.45.2008.1–26.hydrocarb.PChem.EOS (Equations of state, supercritical CO2)

J.Supercrit.Flu.51.2009.181–187.SCCO2.bipyrid.M (bipyridine metals complexes, supercritical CO2)

Fuel.Proc.Tech.48.I 996.189-297.syn.gas.review.

Int.J.Hyd.Energ.33.2008.6627-6634.electronic.waste.reform.H2

...I could spend an hour posting just my directories but there would be no point except to point out that with many thousands of hours of working my ass off...on my own time...not only to fight the ignorant, but to fight the consequences of their consumerist actions by applying my mind to serious technical analysis and invention.

There is NOT ONE anti-nuke on this website who even knows what the word "serious" means.

What do I do for my planet? I work! I work on energy technology, in my free time, even though I don't have that much free time.

I don't hang out with other yuppies patting my self on the back because "I have a fireplace."

Besides attacking people who actually know science and do science - from the perspective of someone who clearly doesn't know any science - what do you do, besides pick lint out of your navel and day dream about recycling it?

I have a very strong opinion of the laziness of the anti-nukes. I note that some of them are such intellectual primitives that they can't even understand the nature of the scam being discussed in this thread, and end up with irrelevant bull about gasification, something about which they clearly know nothing.

[madokie]

35. WOW

I'm impressed with all that work you've done that hasn't accomplished one single thing. Invention did you say invention. is that the reactor you've invented you're referring to there? I want to know more. Oh and make the explanation simple so a simple mind can understand it too while you're at it, after all you do have what it takes to do that, don't you?

What kind of a reactor is that again you invented just so's you don't forget what the question was mk?

[kristopher]

32. .

http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/EE/article.asp?doi=b809990c

Energy Environ. Sci., 2009, 2, 148 - 173, DOI: 10.1039/b809990c
Review of solutions to global warming, air pollution, and energy security

Mark Z. Jacobson

This paper reviews and ranks major proposed energy-related solutions to global warming, air pollution mortality, and energy security while considering other impacts of the proposed solutions, such as on water supply, land use, wildlife, resource availability, thermal pollution, water chemical pollution, nuclear proliferation, and undernutrition.

Nine electric power sources and two liquid fuel options are considered. The electricity sources include solar-photovoltaics (PV), concentrated solar power (CSP), wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, wave, tidal, nuclear, and coal with carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology. The liquid fuel options include corn-ethanol (E85) and cellulosic-E85. To place the electric and liquid fuel sources on an equal footing, we examine their comparative abilities to address the problems mentioned by powering new-technology vehicles, including battery-electric vehicles (BEVs), hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), and flex-fuel vehicles run on E85.

Twelve combinations of energy source-vehicle type are considered. Upon ranking and weighting each combination with respect to each of 11 impact categories, four clear divisions of ranking, or tiers, emerge.

Tier 1 (highest-ranked) includes wind-BEVs and wind-HFCVs.
Tier 2 includes CSP-BEVs, geothermal-BEVs, PV-BEVs, tidal-BEVs, and wave-BEVs.
Tier 3 includes hydro-BEVs, nuclear-BEVs, and CCS-BEVs.
Tier 4 includes corn- and cellulosic-E85.

Wind-BEVs ranked first in seven out of 11 categories, including the two most important, mortality and climate damage reduction. Although HFCVs are much less efficient than BEVs, wind-HFCVs are still very clean and were ranked second among all combinations.

Tier 2 options provide significant benefits and are recommended.

Tier 3 options are less desirable. However, hydroelectricity, which was ranked ahead of coal-CCS and nuclear with respect to climate and health, is an excellent load balancer, thus recommended.

The Tier 4 combinations (cellulosic- and corn-E85) were ranked lowest overall and with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste. Cellulosic-E85 ranked lower than corn-E85 overall, primarily due to its potentially larger land footprint based on new data and its higher upstream air pollution emissions than corn-E85.

Whereas cellulosic-E85 may cause the greatest average human mortality, nuclear-BEVs cause the greatest upper-limit mortality risk due to the expansion of plutonium separation and uranium enrichment in nuclear energy facilities worldwide. Wind-BEVs and CSP-BEVs cause the least mortality.

The footprint area of wind-BEVs is 2–6 orders of magnitude less than that of any other option. Because of their low footprint and pollution, wind-BEVs cause the least wildlife loss.

The largest consumer of water is corn-E85. The smallest are wind-, tidal-, and wave-BEVs.

The US could theoretically replace all 2007 onroad vehicles with BEVs powered by 73000–144000 5 MW wind turbines, less than the 300000 airplanes the US produced during World War II, reducing US CO2 by 32.5–32.7% and nearly eliminating 15000/yr vehicle-related air pollution deaths in 2020.

In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss, and the biofuel options provide no certain benefit and the greatest negative impacts.

[eppur_se_muova]

39. Actually, you seem to be figuring things out quite well.

I've posted before that H2 is basically an "exchange currency", in that it can be interconverted with other forms of chemical energy as well as electrical energy. So it is more of a recyclable energy storage medium than anything -- its chief advantage is that unlike carbon-based materials, its combustion product, H2O, is both benign and easily handled.

As you say, there are no "hydrogen mines", which we could extract to exhaustion without pollution, if only they existed. Most of the H2 used in industry today comes from fossil fuels, and its production requires concommitant formation of huge amounts of CO2 ("requires" in the economic sense, especially). Carbon-neutral H2 could be made from any carbon-neutral source of electricity or chemical energy, but is not a unique solution in that regard.

(I used to be more of a "hydrogen booster" before I recognized that the problem is not just one of avoiding pollutants such as NOx and SOx (acid rain) but of avoiding CO2 as well. We can make oodles of H2 from natural gas or coal using current technologies and making current energy companies rich while pumping huge volumes of CO2 into the atmosphere -- which is why even GWB threw some money at the "hydrogen car" idea. But it wouldn't slow Global Warming, except possibly by some small percentage increase in efficiency due to economies of scale.)

[Javaman]

20. Perhaps Blacklight Power should join forces with Citizenre. nt

[eppur_se_muova]

21. As I posted elsewhere ...

... if you want to invest your retirement fund in BlackLight Energy, I encourage you to do so. Enthusiastically.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=223467&mesg_id=223588

[NNadir]

24. You're not going to believe this, but I've actually toured their facility.

It's um, clearly very expensive and flashy.

Milly boy has a Porche in the parking lot with vanity plates.

I had everything to do to keep from laughing - or crying.

I shudder to think of the people who have thrown their cash down this rabbit hole. Hopefully they are not merely stupid, but are also rich and stupid as opposed to poor and middle class and stupid.

What galls is that there are so many good ideas in need of investment.

[eppur_se_muova]

27. I *so* agree with that last line.

Let me guess -- lots of chrome and glass in the decor? :evilgrin: Gotta impress the marks.

In a way, I envy you, for getting to see things firsthand. Did you get to see any hydrinos? :D

[NNadir]

29. I once toured a chemical plant in India, and they took me and the Europeans I was with

on a tour of their "lab," where they had ten guys with ten 5 liter 3 neck round bottom flasks, 24/40 joints, no stoppers, on the outer necks and a 45/50 stirrer with a motor in the center joint.

These were the "scientists" in front of each one, each in a white lab coat, and the flasks were all filled with a liquid and stirring rapidly, toluene or something - I hope it wasn't benzene - clear solutions, no heaters. There was not a single reagent bottle anywhere to be seen, no sign of an actual chemical reaction taking place.

Maybe they thought we were stupid, but these guys were obviously doing nothing at all, and the room was filled with fumes, since there were no hoods. I just kept hoping it wouldn't explode or I wouldn't be killed by fumes from the "show."

(I need to say that there are a lot of very high quality chemical plants in India - and a lot of hokum, like that place, too.)

As I recall - Blacklight Power is like that, the hokum plant I was in with the benzene flasks. There's a whole bunch of "scientists" standing in front of these very expensive large calorimeters obviously doing nothing. No toxic fumes - since nothing is actually happening - but the same general idea. There's a very, very nice mass spec, I don't know if it's ever done a single experiment. The lab was way too clean.

The conference room and the lobby are very impressive, no chrome, but yes, the "labs" have lots of glass, with copies of Mills' "papers" posted in several places on the walls.

The guy leading the tour kept telling me "they could melt steel." So can a forge.

Those jobs must be very, very, very, very boring.

I did not meet Mills, by the way. I met some kind of finance guy. I actually didn't have to go over to that facility for any good reason, but through odd circumstances, the opportunity presented itself, and well, like John Lennon sang, "I just had to look."

[OnlinePoker]

34. Sounds like John Worrell Keely

The guy made thousands in the late 1800's peddling free energy to a bunch of dupes. He was still taking in money when he died.

I first read about BLP in 1996. 13 years later and they still haven't come up with a working system (except for the model Rowan University tested). I would feel a lot more confident in the science if more than one university actually verified the results.

[NNadir]

36. The only confidence you will see here is the confidence in the term "confidence game."

It's gobbleygook.

Whenever you hear someone announce, in isolation, that quantum mechanics is misguided and by the way if one would merely recognize this "fact" one could have "unlimited cheap energy" you can be fairly well convinced they are running a scam.

It is startling however, to see how much money the facility must have cost.

I cannot believe that we live in a culture where people this stupid get so much access to money, or um, considering people like say, Bernie Madoff, maybe I can.

[eppur_se_muova]

38. Thanks for providing that name! His Wikipedia entry is great reading.

I read about that many years ago -- grade school, in fact, so I learned early on how easily people can be led on by pseudoscientific claptrap. Science is more than just a load of jargon and expensive equipment, or even laboriously conducted experiments. It is a worldview which demands wary, skeptical, critical analysis, and in the experimental sciences, reproducibility. Phonies looking to mine credulous investors for their wealth adopt the outward appearance ONLY of scientists and live as parasites on the illusion that they are doing "scientific" research and discovery. They are fraudsters who just happen to have chosen science as their theatre of operations (rather than, say, medicine, finance, or entertainment, which all have their own fraudsters). "Scientists" like Keely and Mills have more in common with Madoff and Ponzi than with real scientists.