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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:01 PM
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/10/bombshell-from-bristol-is-the-airborne-fraction-of-anthropogenic-co2-emissions-increasing-study-says-no/

Bombshell from Bristol: Is the airborne fraction of anthropogenic CO2 emissions increasing? – study says “no”. New data show that the balance between the airborne and the absorbed fraction of carbon dioxide has stayed approximately constant since 1850, despite emissions of carbon dioxide having risen.

The results run contrary to a significant body of recent research which expects that the capacity of terrestrial ecosystems and the oceans to absorb CO2 should start to diminish as CO2 emissions increase. Dr Wolfgang Knorr at the University of Bristol found that in fact the trend in the airborne fraction since 1850 has only been ... essentially zero.

The strength of the new study is that it rests solely on measurements and statistical data, including historical records extracted from Antarctic ice, and does not rely on computations with complex climate models.

In other words if the models can’t replicate the past they can’t be relied on for producing accurate future projections.

The science is most certainly not settled on.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:08 PM
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1. Knorr supports Carbon caps
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 11:17 PM by WeDidIt
The guy who did this specific study concludes this does not alter the need to immediately cap carbon emmisions. "It is the only way" was the way he described the necessity for carbon emmision caps.

so regardless of pseudoscientific reporting on the study, the guy who did the study comes to a different conclusion than those in the MSM and the climate change deniers.

The science is most certainly settled.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:38 AM
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2. A fine tuning of percentage points...
its about the rate of increase in atmospheric CO2, as projected forward by current computer modeling. Of course our current increase to-date is well known and beyond any natural increase in the past 600,000 years...but be that as it may, perhaps we are supposed to rest easier because the computer models for the future need to be tweaked to account for a larger than expected natural carbon sink. The ppm still sucks currently, and will suck even worse next year, and the year after that, and the year after that, and so on...
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:51 AM
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3. Perhaps the ocean is absorbing slightly more CO2 from the atmosphere than previously estimated.
That may actually be bad news.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:53 AM
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5. true
I saw in a report last week some scientists saying the ocean is absorbing even more co2 than they've thought. It's already affecting the animals and foodchains.
Just more bad news for the oceans, oh well!! :shrug:
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:49 AM
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4. Oh Boy! A link to the website of a TV weatherman with no college degree



I bet there is all kinds of peer reviewed material there. -Not-



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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:10 PM
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6. Perhaps you'd like this link better
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beardown Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:23 PM
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7. So you're saying CO2 is increasing.
"data show that the balance between the airborne and the absorbed fraction of carbon dioxide has stayed approximately constant since 1850, despite emissions of carbon dioxide having risen."

The fraction in the air is staying the same while the overall amount is increasing. The amount of CO2 is still increasing. For example 45 percent of 1,000 is greater than 45 percent of 700. More CO2.

Must be tough being a denier when the article you post states that CO2 is increasing. Looks like the "oops" is all those earlier denier articles that said it wasn't.

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