Some photographs of the grand wind energy future.

[NNadir]

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And then there's:

Consumer fantasies, you gotta love em.

As we saw when Vestas nearly went bankrupt trying to honor 5 year warranties, these big chunks of planned obsolescence consumer posturing don't actually last all that long before becoming greasy leaky piles of useless metal.

How come none of our renewable heros are out in this fields crying about what to do with the "waste?"

Could it be that none of them are willing to drive their Volvos out to the fields to do clean ups?

If it ain't gonna last for generations, it's a liability, not a gift, to future generations.

The Altamont wind farms - built with all this hype and hoopla in the 1970's - are now useless piles of junk. Nobody cares what becomes of them.

On the other hand, I have almost no experience with a "renewables will save us" advocate who gives a rat's ass about future generations.

[amerikat]

1. Santa says you get coal next Christmas. Any thoughts on thorium

reactors mentioned here recently?

[kristopher]

9. Surely you mean Thorazine...

The original source of those photos is here:
http://hawaii-kau.com/catalog/products.php?images&Pakini_Nui_Wind_Farm&osCsid=2fd1753e8abd51c8fb4a6d9cad7fa630

http://hawaii-kau.com/catalog/products.php?Pakini_Nui_Wind_Farm&osCsid=2fd1753e8abd51c8fb4a6d9cad7fa630

Apollo Energy Corporation purchased and repowered the retired Kamaoa Wind Farm which began commercial operation in 1987. Apollo kept the 37 windmills going by using parts from the ones that had broken down through 2006. Now owned and operated by Tawhiri Power LLC, a subsidary of Apollo, Tawhiri leased another property from Hawaiian Homelands near the Kamaoa Wind Farm and renamed this new property Pakini Nui Wind Farm. Pakini consists of 14 General Electric turbines producing 21 megawatts. It went online in April 2007. The purchase power agreement with Hawaii Electric Light Company was approved by the Public Utilities Commission on March 10, 2005. Pakini Nui went into service in April after the wind turbines were installed in January, said Tony Pace, head of Apollo Power Corp., the parent company of farm owner and operator Tawhiri Power LLC. GE Energy, which was to initially provide the machinery and construction financing, eventually became an investor. Tommy Woods, Pakini Nui Wind Farm Manager, displays a nearly 100-foot-long spare wind turbine blade for the 14 windmills behind him. Tommy Woods, Pakini Nui Wind Farm Manager


Investors say South Point's consistently blowing wind keeps the turbines twirling at one of the highest rates of any wind farm in the world. "(Hawaii island) has a world-class treasure," said Kevin Walsh, managing director of GE Energy Financial Services. But the wind power is not lowering electricity bills, even though it is locally generated, unlike the imported oil the state is so heavily reliant on. HELCO pays for the wind farm electricity by calculating the "avoided cost," or the cost the utility would have to pay if it were to build or generate power on its own. Lee said rates vary because they are tied to oil prices. Boosting renewable energy sources on the Big Island would neither positively nor negatively impact consumer rates, he added. The Pakini Nui project does, however, help the state toward its goal of obtaining 20 percent of locally consumed energy from renewable sources by 2020. Pakini Nui's turbines replaced the nearby 9.3-megawatt Kamaoa Wind Farm, which began operations in 1987 and had 37 Mitsubishi turbines on 100 acres of land. Pace said the company is currently deciding whether to dispose of, remove or rehabilitate the Mitsubishi turbines.



Apollo Kamaoa Wind Farm - Not in Use! Kamaoa Wind Farm consisted of 37 Mitsubishi 250-kilowatt wind turbines capable of generating up to 9.3 megawatts which are all disabled as of the end of 2008. These were old machines and it was not cost effective to keep these going.

However, these could be retrofitted with new state of the art wind mills if the funds were spent on this project and all the permits are in place to continue using them if Apollo would go ahead with this. The towers are in stable condition.


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So the company is "currently deciding whether to dispose of, remove or rehabilitate the Mitsubishi turbines".

What was the purpose of the OP?

What information of value did he impart to readers?

A standard tactic of nuclear supporters seems to be to rely on false and misleading information. I guess that is because false and misleading information is all that they have.

BTW, the new turbines at Pakini Nui generate 6.5% of the Big Island's electricity.

[Mopar151]

11. Mitsubishi Makes junk - again

What a surprise - NOT! Bad people, making bad products.

[kristopher]

12. Are you simpleminded?

Turbines designed in the early 80s lasted 20 years. I'm sure you're unaware that for a wind turbine in a high wind location like that, the continuous operation of the turbine vs its scheduled servicing is equivalent to running your car about 200,000 miles between oil changes?

I suppose there is nothing like a little bit of racism to color your perspective, eh, dodge?

[Mopar151]

18. Nope - experience with Mitsubishi products

And it's company history. Even their tuna (3 Diamonds) sucks. I'm not unaware of the needs of maintainence - I've spent most of my life building specialised industrial machinery. And look up the record of DiamondStar Motors - Chrysler.Mitsu joint venture.

[Speck Tater]

2. We get enough resources for one try at civilization. We failed. It's over. nt

[stuntcat]

17. yah

from now on I feel like I'm watching clowns fighting :eyes:

[onehandle]

3. Photo I took in Eastern France in 2008. Near the Verdun battlefields.

These suckers were Huge and spinning like crazy. Saw them in the South of France as well.

[Codeine]

6. France is still getting the vast majority

of its power from nukes, of course; enough power to actually rely on, and with zero global climate impact.

[madokie]

15. Last I heard they were disposing of their waste

via the mafia and sunken ships, hardly where we need to dispose of the nuke waste. The nuclear industry is and always have been about obfuscating and when that doesn't work out right lie to you, has been for as long as I can remember and I have a memory like an elephant, don't forget much of anything, never anything of importance. When I joined the navy in '67 one of the things I was qualified for was nuclear subs but that took a couple more years to be tacked on my almost seeming like a lifetime four year enlistment so I went another direction.

[rgbecker]

4. Great Pics.....There's no substitute for energy conservation.

The fight here is against a plan to put 150 in the Nantucket sound. As of now the only thing keeping more machinery out of the water is a suit by the Native Americans to stop it from being installed on sacred grounds. But with the present mania about wind energy, it seems unstoppable.

[Vinnie From Indy]

5. Is that you Rush?

The stupid in this post is truly an awesome thing to behold! It is sublime!

Cheers!

[madokie]

16. The stupid drips off in buckets too

[Berry Cool]

7. Funny, we got a turbine up in Cleveland

and it's not smoking, on fire, or spattered with gallons of bird blood.

Must just be my imagination.

[TxRider]

8. Some photographs of the grand nuclear energy future

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Consumer fantasies, gotta love em...

Real gifts to last the generations.. Nope no bankruptcies here, move along..

At least the waste from an old windmill won't kill you just to go near it, or make you evacuate hundreds of square miles for a hundred years.

They built a nuke plant down the road from me once, they said cheap power! almost free! only 970 million dollars.. 4.5 Billion dollars later we finally got some power, how long will that take to pay back?

[joshcryer]

10. Epic. You win.

[madokie]

14. Now that is the shit right there that worries me

fuck all the worry about the oil leaking out of a wind turbine or the occasional blade breakage from the early on wind turbine, this is serious shit depicted in these photos. Maybe the OP has something to say about this but I doubt he will.
How long has it been since a wind turbine failed and contaminated a huge area, I know some will say that none of these catastrophes shone caused any problems other than the destroying of the machine that depicted in the photos but that is how the nuke industry treats its problems, ignore first, then lie when ignoring doesn't work.

[Mopar151]

19. I know some of the guys that built one of those disasters.

The All-Star Drinkin' Team, managed by the criminally inept. I pay some of the highest electric rated in the country, thanks to the debacle that is Seabrook Station.

[onehandle]

20. The structure in the third photo is the rusting set from the film, 'The Abyss.'

Many of the underwater scenes were filmed in that abandoned nuclear plant in South Carolina.

[Javaman]

21. +1000. nt

[Ready4Change]

23. Just curious, you DO know what that is in the 3rd photo, yes?

Whoops. Nevermind. Onehand beat me to it.

[madokie]

13. More fear mongering from the nnads

and so is hanford a piece of junk only troube is its highly radioactive and contaminating a large swatch of land and water.

http://www.hanford.gov/

[Javaman]

22. Oh Nnadir, you kook...

Burned by reality once again, check post #8.

See, it works like this, if a wind turbine doesn't it work, it either stops or like one of your photos, catches fire.

IT DOESN'T CREATE A SUPERFUND SITE. :)

However, if a nuke plant goes, well kablooie, well, a superfund site is the least of our worries.

Don't you just love the photo of the dumping of the nuclear waste in to that salt pit?

It has the Homer Simpson campaign ring to it, to paraphrase, "can't some future generation deal with it?"

You swing and you swing, but that t-ball seems to continually out fox you. Damn that none moving ball perched on a stand.

Charlie Brown would be proud.