Ocean + Mafia = Ecological Catastrophe...

[madokie]

The enterprising corporate arm of Mafia has found an answer (!) to the age old problem of energy growth: Go Nuclear!
Mafia Solves Nuclear Waste Problem
Posted by "feww" on September 2009
Nuclear Waste Disposal Doesn’t Have to Be So Expensive: says Mafia

http://ecodelmar.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=112

And don’t worry about the astronomical cost of “disposing” of the permanent waste. They will dump it in the ocean for you at premium prices.

(snip)

Greco said investigators believed there were 32 ships carrying toxic waste sunk by the mafia since the introduction of tighter environmental legislation in the 1980s made illegal waste disposal a lucrative business for crime groups.

"The Mediterranean is 0.7 percent of the world's seas. If in this tiny portion there are more than 30 (toxic waste) shipwrecks, imagine what there could be elsewhere," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8260409.stm

This is relevant because many of us who years ago opposed the building of nuclear power plants felt at the time that we knew down deep inside that this would be how some would ultimately dispose of their radioactive waste. Sorry state of affairs where we, our elected officials, don't have the where with all (courage) to limit the chances of this happening. The thought that this is only a small fraction of what has been actually disposed this way is scary to say the least. I say throw the whole bunch under the jail

[ixion]

1. gives a whole new twist on "sleeps with the fishes"

:(

[ensho]

2. kick

nt

[wtmusic]

3. Did the waste come from nuclear power plants

or from medical waste which may have included some low-level waste like Co60 which is harmless after ten years?

Let's be honest here. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[kristopher]

6. Yes, let's be honest.

The discussion is about what our energy future is going to look like, and this type of problem is an inescapable part of a future built around nuclear power.

Greed, corruption, laziness, incompetence and plain cussed stupidity do not disappear just because you want them to.

[madokie]

8. You decide

http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/somalia-the-mafia-the-nuclear-waste-dump-zone/

Just one of many links to be found.

[Dead_Parrot]

9. Your own link specifically mentions medical waste

What's your point?

[madokie]

10. My point is this is not an acceptable means of disposal

If you want to believe its only medical waste then I can't help that, thats your problem. If you want to believe that the mafia would not be doing the same with the waste of nuclear plants then thats your problem too not mine. At this point I'll believe nothing the nuke industry says and I'll be suspicious of what they do that I can see them doing. The mafia, well theres nothing I would believe that they said they were doing about anything.

My point is that the ocean is not an acceptable place to be disposing of any of our nuke waste

[Dead_Parrot]

13. No, it's not.

Funny, I thought from reading your OP your point was that nuclear power is teh evul. If it's actually that waste should be disposed of properly then yes, I agree with you: I try not to hold it against the entire industry, however.

If, BTW, you have any evidence that this particular waste was from power generation rather than medical isotope production I suggest you present it: Labeling everything involving radioactivity as "the nuke industry" covers everything from your home-depot smoke alarm to a Lithuanian dentist to NZ's Institute of Geological Science to Areva to the Kyiv University Radiophysics faculty: Makes you look a bit of a moron, frankly.

Of course, if you want to to go down the "radioactive = nuclear power" route, I won't stop you. You did that with the Anaconda (copper) mine, and it was quite fun to watch.

[Statistical]

5. Your right we should stop building hospitals.

Since that is where this waste came from.

Of course you knew that before you posted it.

[Dead_Parrot]

7. I've heard people die at hospitals

Clearly, this whole "healing the sick" angle is spin: Their main purpose is to act as front for the mafia controlled nuclear death industry. Burn them all!

[madokie]

12. Whether you want to believe it or not

a lot of those people who will be dying wouldn't be if not for the waste of nuclear plants both civilian and military, today and of years past. I would be a fool to believe otherwise and so would you.

Just because the nuke industry doesn't accept any responsibility that anyone dies from their plants does not make it so. Are you aware of the lies the Russians have used to try to keep the numbers down from Chernobyl? I'm sure you are but are you receptive to that is more the question I'd like to see the answer for. Denial is more than a river you know. Actually it runs deep in the nuclear power industry. Military use included.

[Dead_Parrot]

14. So, give me an estimate of the number of dead PV installers.

Should be easy.

Unless it's being hushed up by the industry, of course.

[madokie]

15. Lame

You think that the deaths from pv installers in on a par with the deaths from nuclear power.

You're nuts :rofl:

[Dead_Parrot]

16. OK, let's play a game

I'll name a dead PV installer, you name someone killed by nuclear waste. We'll take it in turns until we run out.

Easy, right?

I'll go first: Kevin Megill.

[madokie]

17. silly boy

But you are having fun, right?
:silly:

[Dead_Parrot]

18. Didn't think so. nt

[troubledamerican]

11. The 2008 film "Gomorrah" shows the mafia waste-dumping trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomorra_(film)

[kestrel91316]

19. The sad thing is, with the right approach, the oceans are probably the only

logical place to dispose of radioactive waste.

The trick is to "fix" it first to make it stay where you put it. I envision mixing the stuff (you would have to grind up whatever radioactive stuff you have)with lots and lots of silica sand and vitrifying it, making glass blocks that could be scattered across the ocean floors, diluting out the waste heat generated, and allowing it to ultimately be covered by sediments and return to the earth's crust.

I just know the long-term solution is NOT to store in barrels in corporate back yards. Nor is dumping it all in one place in Nevada, not too far from seismic zones.

But what do I know? I'm just a cat vet.

[Nihil]

20. Not all over the abyssal plain but just in the subduction trenches.

This was a suggestion I made way, way back when I learned about
plate tectonics: dig a "grave" in the sediment of the trench
and bury the (ground up & vitrified) waste.

At the time, the response from my tutors was to point out the
cost involved in working at those depths (digging the "hole"
and transporting the vitrified waste) but I suspect it would have
been far cheaper than all the money that has been wasted in the
Yucca Mountain farce (not to mention all of the other plans and
debates over the years).

:shrug: