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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:15 PM
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I thought people didn't want to live near a nuclear plant? Town request TVA build reactor near them
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 10:16 PM by Statistical
Scottsboro urges TVA to finish Bellefonte plant
SCOTTSBORO - The Scottsboro City Council on Monday unanimously adopted a resolution urging the Tennessee Valley Authority board of directors to finish Bellefonte Nuclear Plant near here or build a new reactor unit next to it.

The board is expected to decide on April 16 whether to finish one of Bellefonte's two units, build a new unit or take no action.

In March 2009, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission approved TVA's request that its construction permit for Bellefonte be reinstated.

TVA stopped construction at the twin-reactor plant in 1988 because of a less-than-projected power demand and withdrew its construction permit in 2006. The utility asked for it back two years later after NuStart, a consortium of nuclear power utilities, agreed to help complete it.

The Jackson County Commission also recently adopted a resolution supporting the Bellefonte project. Members of the commission and City Council are expected to attend the TVA board meeting next month.
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http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/local.ssf?/base/news/126812976093710.xml&coll=1
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:20 PM
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1. I'd love, I say I'd LOVE to live within 1/4 mile of either of California's nuclear power plants.
Especially Diablo Canyon, but I'd settle for San Onofre.

Either way, I'd be on the ocean. :P



http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Assets/OES/Diablo+Canyon+Power+Plant.jpg

Oooooh, the turbine deck!



:P

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:28 PM
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3. Nice photos.
Those nuclear reactor operators certainly have a nice view at work. Got to be making over hundred grand too considering cost of living in CA.



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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:55 PM
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8. It's a beautiful area up there around Diablo Canyon.
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:57 PM by NNadir
If we must generate power by the sea - and in fact we must - that is exactly the way to do it, with minimal impact.

The two reactors there produced 17,091 million kwh of electricity in 2008, 61 petajoules.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/diablo.html

In those two small buildings you pictured, they produced more energy than all the windmills and solar PV systems in the entire state of California combined, including that ugly crap pictured below.

http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electricity/electricity_generation.html

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 12:33 AM
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9. I've been on the turbine deck a couple times.
It's awe-inspiring.

The massive shafts, I like to put my hand on the bearing blocks and just feel the power.

Yes, it would take thousands of Vestas to match even one of the two reactors.

But I like wind, too.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:01 AM
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10. Is that you?
Awesome pic! :)
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:06 AM
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12. Nope, I'm behind the camera. Here's another:
One can walk inside the blades. 1.5 MW turbines. There are larger ones very nearby.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:16 AM
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13. Great pictures, thanks so much for sharing! :)
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:03 AM
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11. Wow. When that wind vane breaks into pieces it's may crush someone big time.
If wind power ever gets to 5 exajoules - 5% of US energy - which I don't believe it ever will, there will be regular deaths and huge property destruction associated with it.

I am increasingly unable to understand why people build these wind plants.

They are dangerous, unreliable, ugly, and don't last very long. They are destructive to wild life, including, but not limited to, trees. To see this, one only need look at the clear cut road ways that accompany every wind structure trashing mountain top ridges around the country.

The produce so little energy that when they shut down - which they do often - no one notices.

Not 5 years ago, I felt as you do. But I've changed my mind. They will never be as clean nor as safe nor as reliable nor as sustainable as nuclear energy. There is no rational reason to build them. From my perspective, the point of wind turbines is denial.

Nuclear energy is also cheaper and it does not depend on dangerous natural gas for its existence.

I favor the immediate and unconditional phase out of all dangerous fossil fuels, which is the opposite of what wind power will do.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 08:02 AM
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14. If we are going to build wind it certainly should be the larger 2MW+ turbines.
10 2MW turbines moving slowly in the wind presents a less cluttered view than 40 0.5MW small turbines.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:23 PM
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2. How do the citizens feel?
Government leaders in my area are all hot and bothered to start fracking for natural gas ASAP. "Damn the EPA, and the state DEC. Full speed ahead!"
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:35 PM
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4. What about Scottsboro, AL
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 10:45 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=12190
...

INCOME SNAPSHOT
Median household income
Local $32,654
National $41,994
Source: 2000 census, U.S. Census Bureau

...


http://www.city-data.com/city/Scottsboro-Alabama.html
...

Dec. 2009 cost of living index in Scottsboro: 80.7 (low, U.S. average is 100)

...

For population 25 years and over in Scottsboro
  • High school or higher: 71.8%
  • Bachelor's degree or higher: 17.9%
  • Graduate or professional degree: 6.8%
...


OK, so, they've had this partially completed reactor outside of town for 20+ years, and their economy is eh... "not stellar."
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:41 PM
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5. 2 partially complete reactors on a site that can hold 4.
Each reactor brings about 800 permanent high paying jobs. Everything from operators to engineers to security to tradesman (welders, electricians, etc).
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:47 PM
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6. And God knows, they could use the high-paying jobs
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:10 PM by OKIsItJustMe
It's the same old story. (Kind of like a poor town saying, "We'll take your nuclear waste.")

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/taiwan-nuclear-waste-stor_n_189110.html

Taiwan Nuclear Waste Stored By Poor Village For Government Money

04/20/09 03:54 PM

NANTIAN VILLAGE, Taiwan -- They tried sending it to North Korea. They tried sending it to China.

Now, they're trying to send it to this remote seaside village in southeast Taiwan.

Like nuclear energy-using countries worldwide, Taiwan is struggling to find a final resting place for its radioactive nuclear waste.

Strange to say, many villagers here are willing to accept the toxic duty. The reasons, according to village chief Chang Chih-hsin, and other residents: Money and development.

...


http://www.france24.com/en/20100203-13-spanish-towns-bid-nuclear-waste-site
03 February 2010 - 20H04

13 Spanish towns bid for nuclear waste site

AFP - Thirteen Spanish towns have bid to host a major new nuclear waste storage site, a long-delayed project that is fiercely opposed by environmentalists, the government announced Wednesday.

...

Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has said the location of the site, which is expected to cost 700 million euros (970 million dollars) and employ around 100 people once operational, would be reached by "consensus".

The waste site will bring millions of euros in government subsidies to its host town.

Environmental group Ecologists in Action has denounced the selection process as a "circus", arguing that most towns in the race were "poor, with few residents and whose mayors made the bids without knowing what the risks are."

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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:42 PM
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7. They are more than welcome to build one here
and I think the vast majority of my neighbors would agree. We need the f----g job and they are cleaner than the coal fired plants.
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