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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:26 PM
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Costs of Fuels To the Electric Power Sector.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:13 PM
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1. .
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:16 AM
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2. Um, I'm more interested in data than soothsaying, and um, you give no reference..
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 02:26 AM by NNadir
It's probably bullshit from Lovins or some other dogmatic anti-nuke.

I note that except for hydro - which contributed to the largest energy disaster of all time, the one that anti-nukes couldn't care less about - is a MAJOR form of energy, and thus is entirely not connected with reality.

It's 2010, and I've been here for 8 years listening to the bullshit delusional claim, that solar energy will become competitive always by such and such a date with any form of energy.

I note, with due contempt, that the figures made up for nuclear are oblivious, since nuclear power retail costs 1/3 as the bullshit figure in the fraudulent graph in France right now, and as usual therefore consists of the bullshit claim that was has already happened is impossible.

As for solar, 50 years of fraud prognostications about it being something more than a toy for rich oblivious dogmatists is belied by the figures provided by the solar industry today, not in fantasy land, but today:

http://www.solarbuzz.com/SolarPrices.htm

What's even worse is that even these figures consist of the soothsaying claim that solar installations will actually last. They ignore the observed phenomena of solar thermal plant explosions, inverter burn out, and the fact that there are almost no wind turbines on this planet that survived 20 years, and many of them blow apart after just one or two years.

The World Nuclear Organization, which, um, consists of people who actually run nuclear reactors and have apparently no desire to shut them down and replace them with the toys pushed by oblivious light weight bloggers who have no problem apparently with the status quo, report the following figures:



This of course, is involved in the fact that all US nuclear plants have operated long enough to be amortized, more or less.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf02.html

Note that no soothsaying is involved. However, it is true that anti-science luddite vandals have effectively destroyed nuclear infrastructure around the world and in the United States because they elevate their own paranoia, fear, ignorance over the needs of humanity. Thus some FOAKE costs will have to be paid by humanity a second time. Nevertheless, nuclear viewed on a combinatorial optimized vector in dimensions of sustainability, safety, low environmental impact and economics cannot be beat, especially strip mining our soil, sticking grease sticks in our sky, or by tearing up the planet for the last shred of fossil fuels.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:30 AM
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3. The chart in #1 is from Mark Cooper
The article at OilNo:

http://www.olino.org/us/articles/2009/11/26/the-economics-of-nuclear-reactors-renaissance-or-relapse">Article about "The Economics of Nuclear Reactors: Renaissance or Relapse?"

The full paper (PDF 670 kB):

http://www.olino.org/us/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cooper-report-on-nuclear-economics-final1.pdf">The Economics of Nuclear Reactors: Renaissance or Relapse?

--d!
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:54 AM
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4. ...who I see cites Lovins in his bibliography
I think NNadir just won a prize.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 07:58 AM
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5. Haha
:rofl:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 10:38 AM
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6. The vast circle jerk...
...of self referential goons who actually know nothing about that for which they claim authority.

Just once it would be fun if they could, with out the use of soothsaying, produce a shred of an explanation about why France's electricity rates are much lower than Germany's and Denmark's, and most other countries in Europe.

This reminds me of Pat Robertson claiming authority to control women's bodies by citing his favorite source, the Bible.

Of course if you don't accept the authority of the Bible - I don't - Robertson might as well howl at the moon.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:15 PM
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7. Dogs on Roofs
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 04:17 PM by Fledermaus
Why do dogs get on roofs? Better views? Easier to spot cats? More fun to bark at people from above? Who knows? But as you can see from these photos, dogs all around the world absolutely love being on roofs, and dogs on roofs are awesome
http://www.guidespot.com/guides/funny_dogs_on_roofs
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 06:43 PM
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8. Looks like an airhead "dogshit will save us scheme," and as rational as most posts by anti-nukes.
Most anti-nukes announcing that shit will save us don't know where shit comes from, though.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:19 PM
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9. What is the cost of fuel for the make-believe NJ molten salt breeder reactor which is a fraud?
:rofl:
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