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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:15 AM
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Big Energy Firms Blocking Solar Power in South
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 11:17 AM by Dover



Source: IPS


ATLANTA, Georgia, 31 Mar (IPS) - As citizens, businesses and non-profit organisations seek to transition to cleaner power sources like solar and wind, some big energy firms whose business models rely on polluting sources are standing in the way.

In Georgia, the energy company Georgia Power has lobbied for favourable public policies at the Public Service Commission (PSC) and State legislature that are making it difficult for the state's residents to transition to solar power.

IPS learned that the Dekalb County school system wanted to put solar panels on their schools, but could not do it because of state policies like the Territorial Electric Service Act of 1973 which gives Georgia Power a monopoly over the purchase of energy.

"In Georgia, we have about a dozen state policies preventing creation of solar energy," James Marlow, vice chair of the Georgia Solar Energy Association, told IPS. "One of those is the Territorial Act." ..cont'd

Read more: http://ipsnorthamerica.net/news.php?idnews=2958



Some hope?


South Carolina residential solar energy incentives

Solar energy and small hydropower tax credit:

-This incentive allows residents of South Carolina who purchase and install solar energy and hydropower systems to claim a tax credit of 25% of the total cost of equipment, installation and generation of electricity produced by the system.
-The maximum incentive for each tax payer may claim per taxable year is $3,500 or 50% of the taxpayer’s tax liability, whichever is less.
-Any excess credit may be carried forward for ten years.

More incentives >>
http://www.solarhome.org/southcarolinaresidentialsolarenergyincentives.html






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skeptical cynic Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:23 AM
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1. "Big energy firms..."
"...whose business models rely on polluting sources" says it all.

Anybody else in the mood for socially responsible capitalism?

Anybody silly enough to believe either of the two corporate culture mainstream parties can deliver?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 04:39 PM
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5. "Socially Responsibly Capitalism" is an oxymoron.
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skeptical cynic Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 04:51 PM
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6. It doesn't have to be
With a regulatory framework that makes business accountable to the people.

As practiced now, capitalism and social responsibility do not coexist.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 05:10 PM
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7. You are confusing Capitalism with Free Enterprise.
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 05:10 PM by Odin2005
It's a common confusion because Corporatist propagandists have conflated the two. In Capitalism there is an investor class that is rich enough to buy off governments and get them to enact pro-corporate laws.
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skeptical cynic Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 05:30 PM
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8. We agree
The majority of Americans are not capitalists, since what little investing they do is by proxy via mutual funds and such.

What I believe we really have is neither capitalism or free enterprise. (I think in a pure sense, capitalism is just a function of free enterprise, but I'm an environmental engineer, not a business person.)

We have a system where big business socializes its losses but keeps its profits private--profit belongs to the few, expenses and losses belong to the many. Sort of a corporate quasi-socialist welfare state that always works to the advantage of big corporations. Small business--the descendants of the merchant class that started the whole thing--are now just part of the illusion of the American Dream, which is sort of like the slot machines in Las Vegas, paying off seldom enough to ensure the house stays in control, but often enough to keep the masses dreaming and playing the game. The Middle Class?--just a buffer between the Few and the Many, given just enough of a piece of the pie to buy into the illusion and support the status quo.

If I could push a button that would bring the whole system crashing down so that something better could rise from the ashes I would have pushed it during the Clinton Administration.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:27 AM
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2. Time to take down Southern Power the monopoly of power companies
oil, nuke, coal, natural gas and electric generation.
My step father worked for them for years..when he got sick..no retirement they just said bye see ya.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:49 AM
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3. Ohio has a "renewable energy portfolio standard" in the electricity law
The generating companies have to get a percentage of their power from alternative and renewable sources. A RPS would stop what is happening in "the South".
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:59 AM
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4. First of all, solar has plenty of cheerleaders, going back 50 years. It's lack of success
cannot be explained simply by continuously asserting conspiracy theories.

I suspect that it's real problem is that it exists only because of the cheering which, though endless, is delusional from an environmental perspective, as delusional as the time that the automobile industry - another distributed energy industry - claimed that cars would solve all of the problems with those big bad railroad companies.

The cars proved to be worse, much worse, fatally worse.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 07:22 PM
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9. Required reading
Soft Energy Paths is an open access document

Amory Lovins: Soft Energy Values
by Howard Silverman
March 01, 2010 11:32PM

Looking back at Amory Lovins' 1977 Soft Energy Paths, I was struck by his still-relevant list of "basic values":
Underlying much of the energy debate is a tacit, implicit divergence on what the energy problem ‘really’ is. Public discourse suffers because our society has mechanisms only for resolving conflicting interests, not conflicting views of reality, so we seldom notice that these perceptions differ markedly. …

As a basis for mutual understanding, therefore, instead of leaving my world view to be guessed at (as most energy writers do), I shall make explicit a few of my underlying opinions – not on every aspect of the whole universe of perceptions that must support any coherent view of our energy future, but at least on a few basic values. Attempting this is unusual and difficult but important. Briefly, then, I think that:

* We are more endangered by too much energy too soon than by too little too late, for we understand too little the wise use of power;
* We know next to nothing about the carefully designed natural systems and cycles on which we depend; we must therefore take care to preserve resilience and flexibility, and to design for large safety margins (whose importance we do not yet understand), recognizing the existence of human fallibility, malice, and irrationality (including our own) and of present trends that erode the earth’s carrying capacity;
* People are more important than goods; hence energy, technology, and economic activity are means, not ends, and their quantity is not a measure of welfare; hence economic rationality is a narrow and often defective test of the wisdom of broad social choices, and economic costs and prices, which depend largely on philosophical conventions, are neither revealed truth nor a meaningful test of rational or desirable behavior;
* Though the potential for growth in the social, cultural, and spiritual spheres is unlimited, resource-crunching material growth is inherently limited (a consequence of the round-earth theory) and, in countries as affluent as the U.S., should be not merely stabilized but returned to sustainable levels at which the net marginal utility of economic activity (to borrow for a moment the economist’s abstractions) is clearly positive;
* Since sustainability is more important than the momentary advantage of any generation or group, long-term discount rates should be zero or even slightly negative, reinforcing a frugal, though not penurious, ethic of husbanding;
* The energy problem should be not how to expand supplies to meet the postulated extrapolative needs of a dynamic economy, but rather how to accomplish social goals elegantly with a minimum of energy and effort, meanwhile taking care to preserve a social fabric that not only tolerates but encourages diverse values and lifestyles;
* The technical, economic, and social problems of fission technology are so intractable, and technical efforts to palliate those problems are politically so dangerous, that we should abandon the technology with due deliberate speed;
* Many other technologies are exceedingly unattractive and should be developed sparingly or not at all (such as nuclear fusion, large coal-fired power stations and conversion plants, many current coal-mining technologies, urban-sited terminals for liquefied natural gas, much Arctic and offshore petroleum extraction, most “unconventional” hydrocarbons, and many “exotic” large-scale technologies such as solar satellites and monocultural biomass plantations);
* Ordinary people are qualified and responsible to make these and other energy choices through the democratic political process, and on the social and ethical issues central to such choices the opinion of any technical expert is entitled to no special weight; for although humanity and human institutions are not perfectible, legitimacy and the nearest we can get to wisdom both flow, as Jefferson believed, from the people, whereas pragmatic Hamiltonian concepts of central governance by a cynical elite are unworthy of the people, increase the likelihood and consequences of major errors, and are ultimately tyrannical;
* Issues of material growth are inseparable from the more important issues of distributional equity, both within and among nations; indeed, high growth in overdeveloped countries is inimical to development in poor countries;
* For poor countries, the self-reliant ecodevelopment concepts inherent in the New Economic Order approach are commendable and practicable while the patterns of industrial development that served the OECD countries in the different circumstances of the past two centuries are not: indeed, so much have conditions changed that ecodevelopment concepts are now the most appropriate for the rich countries too;
* National interests lie less in traditional geopolitical balancing acts than is striving to attain a just and equitable, therefore peaceful, world order, even at the expense of temporary commercial advantage.

http://www.peopleandplace.net/on_the_wire/2010/3/1/amory_lovins_soft_energy_values


Another view of Lovins and his influence on our thinking about energy:
http://www.greentechhistory.com/2010/02/reading-amory-lovins-classic-soft-energy-paths/


Energy Strategy: the Road Not Taken
AUTHOR: Lovins, Amory
DOCUMENT ID: E77-01
YEAR: 1976
DOCUMENT TYPE: Journal or Magazine Article
PUBLISHER: Foreign Affairs


In this landmark piece from 1976, Amory Lovins describes the two energy choices then facing the nation. There is the "hard path" and the "soft path". This path resembles federal policy of the time and is essentially an extrapolation of the recent past. The hard path relies on rapid expansion of centralized high technologies to increase supplies of energy, especially in the form of electricity. The second path combines a prompt and serious commitment to efficient use of energy, rapid development of renewable energy sources matched in scale and in energy quality to end-use needs, and special transitional fossil-fuel technologies. This path diverges radically from incremental past practices to pursue long-term goals. Lovins argues that both paths present difficult—but very different—problems. The first path is convincingly familiar, but the economic and sociopolitical problems then facing the nation loomed large and insuperable. The second path, though it represents a shift in direction, offers many social, economic and geopolitical advantages, including virtual elimination of nuclear proliferation from the world. For Lovins, it is important to recognize that the two paths are mutually exclusive. Because commitments to the first may foreclose the second, Loins argues that we must choose one or the other—before failure to stop nuclear proliferation has foreclosed both.

Go here to download reprint pdf: http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Library/E77-01_EnergyStrategyRoadNotTaken


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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:14 PM
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11. Excellent reading recommendations! Another oldy that is still relevant - The Sun Betrayed

The sun betrayed: a report on the corporate seizure of U.S. solar energy development.

Read online:

http://tinyurl.com/ydahpu7
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 10:01 PM
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10. "Energy independence is nonsense" argued an NPR pundit this morning
and the "liberal" counterpundit (to the other TWO Neocons, one an oil-company shill, the other from the Heritage Foundation) AGREED.

... Think they're going to sit still for letting democracy continue, if it leads to sanity?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:24 PM
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12. There are people that can actually answer those questions from experience..like residents of Samso

Why weren't THEY on the show?


Danish Island of Samsø: First "Town" to be Completely Energy Self-Sufficient

It is one thing to be energy independent; it carries a little more weight if you are both energy independent and industrialized.


" ... Danish island of Samsø ... 30 miles long and 15 miles wide ... began its push toward sustainability in 1997. In just over a decade ... erected 21 electricity-producing wind turbines and a heating system fueled by wood chip- and straw-burning furnaces accompanied by several small solar panels."

"Eleven ... turbines are onshore and ten are offshore; all generate one megawatt each ... onshore turbines produce more electricity than the island consumes — enough to offset 690,000 gallons of oil — ... offshore turbines produce enough power to handle the island’s transportation energy budget ...invests excess power in new energy projects."

" ... inadvertently transformed the island’s workforce into green collar workers. Plumbers and carpenters regularly perform energy-efficient home conversions, and their expertise has allowed them to work on green projects elsewhere, including mainland Europe."

This video tells it all ....


http://www.yourgreenquest.com/2009/12/danish-island-of-sams-first-town-to-be.html
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:35 PM
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13. I agree with you, but here are the links to NPR's right-wing nonsense
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:45 PM
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14. Gusher of Lies by Bryce is typical RW lies.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 01:46 PM by kristopher
Here is the meat of his argument from an article he wrote for the WSJ:
The conversion of electricity into oil terms is straightforward: one barrel of oil contains the energy equivalent of 1.64 megawatt-hours of electricity. Thus, 45,493,000 megawatt-hours divided by 1.64 megawatt-hours per barrel of oil equals 27.7 million barrels of oil equivalent from solar and wind for all of 2008.

Now divide that 27.7 million barrels by 365 days and you find that solar and wind sources are providing the equivalent of 76,000 barrels of oil per day. America's total primary energy use is about 47.4 million barrels of oil equivalent per day.

Of that 47.4 million barrels of oil equivalent, oil itself has the biggest share -- we consume about 19 million barrels per day. Natural gas is the second-biggest contributor, supplying the equivalent of 11.9 million barrels of oil, while coal provides the equivalent of 11.5 million barrels of oil per day. The balance comes from nuclear power (about 3.8 million barrels per day), and hydropower (about 1.1 million barrels), with smaller contributions coming from wind, solar, geothermal, wood waste, and other sources.

Here's another way to consider the 76,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day that come from solar and wind: It's approximately equal to the raw energy output of one average-sized coal mine. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621221496034823.html


The problem with this "analysis" is that it deliberately uses "primary energy" as a metric of what renewables must replace. That is either the statement of an idiot or a liar.

Primary energy is, as shown in the article, the energy content of a fuel used to obtain "power" (power is defined as energy doing work) for various uses. In an automobile, when 100 units of "primary power" is input into the gas tank, it has to be processed through an internal combustion engine where through an explosive reaction, the chemical energy is transformed into heat and mechanical energy.
After transferring the mechanical energy to the wheels via a transmission, you end up using about 12% of the "primary energy" content to actually "power" the automobile.

The same issue applies to coal, natural gas, and nuclear power. In 2002, total U.S. primary energy consumption was 91.4 quadrillion BTUs. The total amount delivered to end use was 35.2 quads.

This is a frequent deception employed by supporters of nuclear power.

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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:00 PM
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15. Thanks. I would choose the "liar" option to characterize him.
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