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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:25 PM
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Westinghouse, Atomstroyexport, Areva submit bids to build up to 5 nuclear reactors in Czech...
...Republic.

This dates from a few months ago, October of last year, but is still somewhat fresher than Amory Lovins statement that nuclear power is dead, dating from 1980.

http://www.powergenworldwide.com/index/display/articledisplay/370558/articles/powergenworldwide/nuclear/reactors/2009/10/westinghouse-atomstroyexport-areva-submit-bids-to-cez-to-build-nuclear-reactors-in-czech-republic.html">Powergen Worldwide.

31 October 2009 - Russian nuclear engineering firm Atomstroyexport, France's Areva and Toshiba-owned Westinghouse have submitted qualification documents to CEZ in a tender to build up to five nuclear reactors for the Czech power firm.

Atomstroyexport said it had submitted the documents in a consortium also comprising Czech Skoda JS and Russian Gidropress. Westinghouse has also formally submitted its qualification bid to the Czech Republic utility to complete CEZ's nuclear power plant in Temelin, which is located near the Austrian border.


I like the Austria part.

I mocked Austria's nuclear policies, for what it's worth, in a derivative way, on another website where I used to write, one run by anti-nukes, as it happens:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/4/223811/7530">Czech Grassroots Movement Starts Mud Wrestling With Austrian Grassroots Movement Over Nuclear Power.


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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 08:46 PM
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1. You can add to that Turkey, Italy, Sweden, and Romania
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 09:02 PM by Statistical
Turkey signs nuclear deal with South Korea
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/LD01Ag01.html

France Signs Deals To Revive Italy's Nuclear Energy
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Id=1265401&SM=1

Wary Sweden Reconsiders Nuclear Power (Sweden legislature considering "undoing" 30 year old ban on new nuclear power)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703312504575141700176298476.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

And of course link to Romania thread.

AECL to be awarded contract for completion of Romania's Cernovoda 3 and 4 nuclear units.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x241058#241125

Lastly all these "new" reactors are on top of the 55 reactor currently under construction (not planned or in aproval but actually under construction)
http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:38 PM
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2. Nice list.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:49 PM
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3. Kinda seems strange so many countries are interested in a "dead technology".
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:55 PM
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4. Kinda seems strange so many poor countries are interested in an "expensive technology."
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:58 PM
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5. Seem also kinda strange so many countries with history of nuclear power
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 10:01 PM by Statistical
and thus have decades of historical cost are "falling for the high priced nuclear scam again".

Lot of strangeness going on.

Seriously though the acceptance (mainly in Europe) that climate change is real and countries must reduce their CO2 output is driving a second look at nuclear power.

China isn't doing it for climate change reasons but rather to diversity energy. They will still build a shit ton of coal but they don't want to be 100% coal for economic & security reasons. Still even 20%-30% nuclear for a country with 1.6 billion people is a lot of reactors.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:01 PM
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7. Not really, bribery and corruption never go out of style.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:11 PM
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8. Yeah, all of that wind being built in China outside of the most powerful wind ranges..
...probably did get approved by bribery.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:59 PM
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6. Not really.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x240979
Greg Palast discusses an insiders view of how the scam works as described in "Confessions of an Economic HitMan"

Then you have the reality of the fact that if these plants are typical of what has happened in most of those listed countries before, it will take decades to build the plants.

"...Even if Finland and France each builds a reactor or two, China goes for an additional 20 plants and Japan, Korea or Eastern Europe add a few units, the overall worldwide trend will most likely be downwards over the next two decades. With extremely long lead times of 10 years and more, it will be practically impossible to maintain, let alone increase the number of operating nuclear power plants over the next 20 years. The one exception to this outcome would be if operating lifetimes could be substantially increased beyond 40 years on average; there is currently no basis for such an assumption.

For practically all of the potential nuclear newcomers, it remains unlikely that fission power programs can be implemented any time soon within the required technical, political, economic framework. None of the potential new nuclear countries has proper nuclear regulations, an independent regulator, domestic maintenance capacity, and the skilled workforce in place to run a nuclear plant. It might take at least 15 years to build up the necessary regulatory framework in countries that are starting from scratch.

Furthermore, few countries have sufficient grid capacity to absorb the output of a large nuclear plant, an often-overlooked constraint. This means that the economic challenge to financing a nuclear plant would be exacerbated by the very large ancillary investments required in the distribution network.

Countries with a grid size and quality that could apparently cope with a large nuclear plant in the short and medium term encounter an array of other significant barriers. These include a hostile or passive government (Australia, Norway, Malaysia, Thailand); generally hostile public opinion (Italy, Turkey); international non-proliferation concerns (Egypt, Israel); major economic concerns (Poland); a hostile environment due to earthquake and volcanic risks (Indonesia); and a lack of all necessary infrastructure (Venezuela). Many countries face several of these barriers at the same time. p.6

Lack of a trained workforce and massive loss of competence are probably the most difficult challenges for proponents of nuclear expansion to overcome. Even France, the country with perhaps the strongest base of civilian nuclear competence, is threatened by a severe shortage of skilled workers. Demographics are a big cause: a large number of "baby-boomers" are approaching retirement — about 40% of the nuclear staff of the world’s largest nuclear utility EDF by 2015. Currently, a maximum of 300 nuclear graduates are available for some 1,200 to 1,500 open positions. An additional difficulty stems from the fact that the number of nuclear graduates does not correspond at all to the availability of new recruits for the nuclear industry. In the USA for example only about one quarter of the 2008 nuclear graduates planned to actually work in the industry or a nuclear utility. Many prefer either to continue their studies or to join the military or other government and business sectors.



The World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2009 With Particular Emphasis on Economic Issues
By
Mycle Schneider
Independent Consultant, Mycle Schneider Consulting, Paris (France)
Project Coordinator
Steve Thomas
Professor for Energy Policy, Greenwich University (UK)
Antony Froggatt
Independent Consultant, London (UK)
Doug Koplow
Director of Earth Track, Cambridge (USA)

Paris, August 2009

Commissioned by
German Federal Ministry of Environment, Nature Conservation and Reactor Safety

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/nuclear-power-an-obstacle-to.pdf

Professor for Energy Policy, Greenwich University (UK)
Antony Froggatt
Independent Consultant, London (UK)
Doug Koplow
Director of Earth Track, Cambridge (USA)

Paris, August 2009

Commissioned by
German Federal Ministry of Environment, Nature Conservation and Reactor Safety

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/nuclear-power-an-obstacle-to.pdf
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 05:54 AM
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9. Excellent Site References!
Thanks much kristopher! :yourock:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 06:40 AM
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10. You don't read this forum much, do you?
--d!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 07:06 AM
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11. Yes, I have.
Further, I was addressing my appreciation to the OP.

FWIW, being both rude and glib is no way to go through life.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 10:09 AM
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12. Rude and glib
I see you pay little attention to your OWN postings as well.

--d!
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