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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:53 PM
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Edging Back to Nuclear Power
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 07:35 PM by FBaggins
FOR the first time since the 1970s, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has announced a step that it once took routinely: appointing an inspector for a new reactor construction project.

With 17 applications in hand from companies that want to build 26 reactors, the agency is likely to name a lot more inspectors; it also expects five more applicants in the next few years.

Is this the long-awaited renaissance of the nuclear construction business, after years of being moribund?

Certainly, some crucial ingredients are falling into place. Nuclear power provides 70 percent of the nation’s carbon-free electricity, important at a time when environmentalists track carbon in the atmosphere the way baby boomers check their cholesterol levels. And while Congress has not agreed on setting a price on carbon emissions, important people say we need more low-carbon power. President Obama said in his State of the Union address that it was time to build “a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country,” and his budget plan would triple the pool of loan guarantees available for construction, to $57.5 billion.



At the site of the Southern Company's Vogtle 3 and 4 reactors, workers lay fill over a rock-like base to make a foundation for one of the two new units.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/business/energy-environment/22NUKE.html?src=busln
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:06 PM
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1. The Title should be "edging back to reality"
It is looooong overdue to revive the Nuclear power industry.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:13 PM
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2. You've got that right!
:toast:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:17 PM
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3. Not really, nuclear is a third rate solution to climate change and energy security
Abstract here: http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/EE/article.asp?doi=b809990c

Full article for download here: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/revsolglobwarmairpol.htm


Energy Environ. Sci., 2009, 2, 148 - 173, DOI: 10.1039/b809990c

Review of solutions to global warming, air pollution, and energy security

Mark Z. Jacobson

Abstract
This paper reviews and ranks major proposed energy-related solutions to global warming, air pollution mortality, and energy security while considering other impacts of the proposed solutions, such as on water supply, land use, wildlife, resource availability, thermal pollution, water chemical pollution, nuclear proliferation, and undernutrition.

Nine electric power sources and two liquid fuel options are considered. The electricity sources include solar-photovoltaics (PV), concentrated solar power (CSP), wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, wave, tidal, nuclear, and coal with carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology. The liquid fuel options include corn-ethanol (E85) and cellulosic-E85. To place the electric and liquid fuel sources on an equal footing, we examine their comparative abilities to address the problems mentioned by powering new-technology vehicles, including battery-electric vehicles (BEVs), hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), and flex-fuel vehicles run on E85.

Twelve combinations of energy source-vehicle type are considered. Upon ranking and weighting each combination with respect to each of 11 impact categories, four clear divisions of ranking, or tiers, emerge.

Tier 1 (highest-ranked) includes wind-BEVs and wind-HFCVs.
Tier 2 includes CSP-BEVs, geothermal-BEVs, PV-BEVs, tidal-BEVs, and wave-BEVs.
Tier 3 includes hydro-BEVs, nuclear-BEVs, and CCS-BEVs.
Tier 4 includes corn- and cellulosic-E85.

Wind-BEVs ranked first in seven out of 11 categories, including the two most important, mortality and climate damage reduction. Although HFCVs are much less efficient than BEVs, wind-HFCVs are still very clean and were ranked second among all combinations.

Tier 2 options provide significant benefits and are recommended.

Tier 3 options are less desirable. However, hydroelectricity, which was ranked ahead of coal-CCS and nuclear with respect to climate and health, is an excellent load balancer, thus recommended.

The Tier 4 combinations (cellulosic- and corn-E85) were ranked lowest overall and with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste. Cellulosic-E85 ranked lower than corn-E85 overall, primarily due to its potentially larger land footprint based on new data and its higher upstream air pollution emissions than corn-E85.

Whereas cellulosic-E85 may cause the greatest average human mortality, nuclear-BEVs cause the greatest upper-limit mortality risk due to the expansion of plutonium separation and uranium enrichment in nuclear energy facilities worldwide. Wind-BEVs and CSP-BEVs cause the least mortality.

The footprint area of wind-BEVs is 2–6 orders of magnitude less than that of any other option. Because of their low footprint and pollution, wind-BEVs cause the least wildlife loss.

The largest consumer of water is corn-E85. The smallest are wind-, tidal-, and wave-BEVs.

The US could theoretically replace all 2007 onroad vehicles with BEVs powered by 73000–144000 5 MW wind turbines, less than the 300000 airplanes the US produced during World War II, reducing US CO2 by 32.5–32.7% and nearly eliminating 15000/yr vehicle-related air pollution deaths in 2020.

In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss, and the biofuel options provide no certain benefit and the greatest negative impacts.

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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:24 PM
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4. I think you need all of the above
including nuclear.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:38 PM
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5. Why?
Nuclear is slower to deploy, more expensive, and comes with a host of external costs that renewables aren't saddled with.

The idea that it is needed for "baseload" power is a myth; it simply isn't true.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:57 PM
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6. Sounds like your desperate fear mongering isn't working.
It's all just slipping away, isn't it?

It must feel like... um... like...

... about like I feel thinking about November.

Nuts. Wanna trade?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:03 PM
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7. That paper does not rule out nuclear.
And given that it underestimates nuclear life the methods applied could well advocate nuclear.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:07 PM
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8. Plus overestimate construction time & carbon costs while underestimate capacity factor and size n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 09:13 PM by Statistical
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:56 PM
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9. OH GEEZE!!!!!! IT"S GOD!!!!! MARK Z. JACOBSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so fucking impressed that his disciples can cut and paste his asinine bull over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

We can all cut and paste.

Isn't that wonderful?

Only some of us can think critically, however.

And some of us have actually read more than two papers in our lives.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:00 PM
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10. Better take some meds for that touretts syndrome there
;)
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