Add Another Reason To Boycott Arizona Next Winter - 'Sewer Water" For Snow-Making Approved For

[Bobbieo]

Flagstff Snowbowl

http://nativeunity.blogspot.com

[lob1]

1. From now on, it'll be known as Flagstaff Yellow Snowbowl.

[SpiralHawk]

2. The Sacred Mountains at the Heart of Turtle Island (North America)

The Four Sacred Peaks mark the perimeter of the Heart.

The San Francisco Peaks mark the West direction. They have many old names, among them Dook'o'oosliid - the Navajo name.



http://earthmath.kennesaw.edu/main_site/RSI_studies/FoundationoftheSacredMountains.htm

"According to our forefathers’ teachings, there are four sacred mountains, there are six sacred mountains and there are twelve sacred mountains. These sacred mountains are our thinking, our knowledge, and our ways of life...

"We as the Diné can use our psychological mind and common sense to see these sacred mountains, lands, valleys, rivers, trees, old hogans, old trails, to understand our stories of the past, present and even the future.

"Even though many things have happened, our sacred mountains, our land and our Mother Earth will always remember who was here, who has gone and who is still here..."

[Bobbieo]

6. SpiralHawk - I understand and this will backfire on the Flagstaff City Council.

[Kolesar]

3. "Where the affluent meet the effluent"

Astronauts drink pee, why can't we use it to ski?

[BrklynLiberal]

4. THAT is a great bumper sticker!!!!

[Dead_Parrot]

5. FTW! nt

[Bobbieo]

7. This should bring back Frank Zappa - something about 'Yellow Snow'

[SpiralHawk]

8. ROFLMAO

good 'un

[PavePusher]

9. So now recycleing isn't a good thing?

Maybe it doesn't fit the memes?

[Nihil]

10. Wrong: recycling water IS a good thing ...

... but wasting water of any kind in pointless attempts to pretend that
the changing climate no longer supports luxury ski resorts is a bad thing.

Recycling "waste" water is always preferable to the destruction of
"fossil water" (i.e., extraction beyond replenishment rate from ancient
aquifers) and almost always preferable to increasing the extraction rate
from rivers (especially those fed by glaciers). The only exception I can
see is when the purpose to which the water is intended is frivolous - in
which case the correct solution is to remove the frivolous waste of water
rather than continuing to bolster up an unsustainable situation.

:shrug:

[Bobbieo]

12. Do you ever read a story behind the headline? Thirteen Native tribes have been

trying to get this artificial snow for the Snowbowl straightened out for years, now. They consider San Francisco Peaks to be sacred ground!!!

[Nihil]

13. Do you ever read an entire reply? Or just the title?

> wasting water of any kind in pointless attempts to pretend that
> the changing climate no longer supports luxury ski resorts is a bad thing.

> ...

> The only exception I can
> see is when the purpose to which the water is intended is frivolous - in
> which case the correct solution is to remove the frivolous waste of water
> rather than continuing to bolster up an unsustainable situation.

I don't care who considers which hill to be "sacred ground" but I *do* care
about pointless wasting of water so - albeit for different reasons - I *am*
supporting the various tribes who want this waste stopped and I *am* against
the ski resort continuing this operation.

:shrug:

[Bobbieo]

14. The Indians are not against the ski resort BUT they are against

artificial means to maintain it. The area is not considered to be a "hill", it is four sacred mountains - San Francisco peaks.

[Nihil]

15. And, as I said above, I am *also* against artificial means to maintain the ski resort.

In addition, as the resort cannot continue to function without
artificial means of snow-making, this means that the Indians'
preference is indeed against the ski resort ...

> “The tribes have steadfastly maintained a united position to not do any kind
> of snow-making,” she said. “This fight has been going on since the 1970s,
> so this is like a 30 year ordeal for me, being a part of the effort and the
> struggle to preserve the Peaks in its pristine condition.
> ...
> “But what I was hearing a lot of, especially from Indian nation representatives,
> was we don't want any more expansion, we don't want development, we don't want
> snow-making.
> ...
> “The option that remains is the possibility of buying out the Snowbowl.
> That would satisfy the concerns expressed by Indian nations,” he said.

They don't want snow-making.
I don't want snow-making.

Our reasons for our decisions differ but I'm failing to see why you think
I am disagreeing with you/them.

:shrug:

[Bobbieo]

16. Maybe, because you remind me of my "Liverpudlian father".

[PavePusher]

17. O.K., now I'm confused.

When is religion actually sacred and when can we ignore it? Which ones can be ignored, and which ones must be honored?

[sakabatou]

11. Don't eat just yellow snow...