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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:40 PM Original message |
Future of Energy Generation |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. I would expect primarily nuclear and wind with a side of hydro. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thanks |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Nuclear weapons and nuclear power only share "nuclear" |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Unfortunately you are wrong |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
68. Afraid NOT!! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. ... |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
69. Additionally.. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. To place an appropriate analogy... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
73. That isn't what MIT says |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Good article, thanks. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Main issues with nuclear energy |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Nuclear waste cannot efficiently be turned into nuclear weaponry. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. coal produces mroe radiation than nuclear |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. More accurately, coal RELEASES more radiation than a nuclear plant. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. That analysis is wrong |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Throwing in the "C" word is the equivalent of Godwin-ing the thread |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Chernobyl is a valid part of the picture. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Do you have a quantification for the PROBABILITY of another Chernobyl-scale disaster? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. A "coherent" benefit cost analysis isn't possible for nuclear. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Oh yeah? well, I disagree! And furthermore... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I was just typing it in - see post #47. nt |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
80. "Chernobyl" is only part of the "fuck me I'm stupid" picture for anti-science morons. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Like all the "nuclear environmentalists" you are prepared to ignore... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Proportions. Relative risks. Scale. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Nope - one in ten odds of another Chernobyl |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. All right, now we're talkin'! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. . |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. Off we go then ... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Here are the numbers for coal, TMI, and Chernobyl |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. I like how you compare the normal day to day operation of coal with a one time disaster |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. It's of note that the vast majority of TMI's radiation was regionized... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. No, I compared ALL coal burning to TWO "one-time" disasters and we're due for a THIRD |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. MIT categorized four problems: cost, safety, proliferation, and waste |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. So if the costs are too high they won't be built. Case closed. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You are pushing for governement funding of nuclear or mandates are you not? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. No, I'm not. Whatever gave you that idea? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You did. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I have my instructions |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
88. Edit: sorry, responded before I got to your apology to the thread. nt |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. No, nuclear war is a bigger threat. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Actually the biggest threat of all is |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Damn Straight |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. It's a big problem if the Repubicans turn it into a trillion dollar bail-out. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Biofuels as "renewable energy" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That sounds approximately right to me. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. "you'd need to cover an area with solar cells..." |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The most absurd thing? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Heh, fair enough. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. ? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Be grateful you missed it... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. “GLOBAL WARMING IS GLOBAL ENERGY STORAGE” |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Sigh. Me and my big mouth. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I know, right? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Like this? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. A guy with a theory who thinks that human waste heat, which is less than solar variation... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Why is it absurd? It's the truth. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I think you needed to define "developed" more specifically |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Developed = built up areas. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. rooftop is sufficient |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. All rooftops would not be sufficient. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. 20% of residential and all appropriate commercial rooftops would be plenty. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. He says without a shred of evidence, hoping people will take him on faith. nt |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Ahem... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
71. There are 60 thousand square miles of pavement in the USA alone. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Primarily CSP and solar-photovoltaic, with wind here and there. |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
13. Why wind/water/solar (and maybe nuclear) and not everything else? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Well, for one, I don't think biomass is a good approach. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. There's a few that go nicely together |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. I think Joe Romm has it right |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. If Polywell and space based solar power are our dark horse solutions... |
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kdt (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. care to explain? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
63. You put up a factory in the desert that can take raw soil and make solar panels out of it, using... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. ...just remember to add an off switch! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. It'd be hive based not actual self-replication, so think of it as turning a desert hell hole... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. That's OK then |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Check the paper out, it's really good, imo. There's plenty of empty, sparse, desert land in NM / AZ. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Almost totally agree with you there ... |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
78. Aw shoot ... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. Nukes and rooftop solar |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Me and Slim Pickens |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
31. You are right, Nikola Tesla said it a LONG time ago: |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
60. Sorry to mess with your thread, kdt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Yeah, it was unfortunate, I came back here expecting a lot of interesting responses... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Your mother dresses you funny. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. "Funny" compared to whom? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Not you, obviously. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Damn ... |
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