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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:12 AM
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Chinese Firm Threatens To Vent HFC-23 - 14,800X CO2's GHG Effect - Gets 2 Million UN Carbon Credits
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 10:13 AM by hatrack
Read on - it gets much better.

A handful of Chinese and Indian chemicals companies seemingly have the world over a barrel – or rather a large number of barrels of a super-greenhouse gas called HFC-23, which is 14,800 times more potent than carbon dioxide.

This week, apparently following Chinese threats to vent stockpiles of HFC-23 into the atmosphere, a UN panel issued two million valuable carbon credits to a company called Juhua. It has a factory in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province, where the gas can be destroyed.

Nobody needs HFC-23. It is a waste by-product of the manufacture of a refrigerant called HCFC-22, used mostly in developing nations. To curb the release of HFC-23 into the atmosphere, the signatories to the Kyoto protocol agreed to pay carbon credits to refrigerant manufacturers that agree to capture and destroy it. The manufacturers can then sell the credits to western companies that want to offset their obligations to cut emissions of other greenhouse gases, under a Kyoto scheme known as the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM).

The offer only applies to HCFC-22 plants that were built before 2000. Even so it has proved highly lucrative. By some estimates, the value of the carbon credits is up to 100 times the cost of incinerating HFC-23. The resulting income of Chinese companies alone is estimated to reach $1.6 billion by 2012. As a result, the "waste gas" HFC-23 has become much more profitable to refrigerant factories than HCFC-22 itself. Watchdog groups like the London-based Environmental Investigation Agency (EIA) say the compensation system ends up providing a strong incentive to overproduce HCFC-22, using methods that maximise the output of HFC-23.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19878-carbon-trading-tempts-firms-to-make-greenhouse-gas.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:20 AM
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1. They must be Republicans.
The UN panel is staffed by Democrats.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:25 AM
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2. Nice atmosphere you have there. Shame if anything happened to it.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 10:30 AM
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3. Don't worry - Market Forces (TM) got us into this . . .
And Market Forces (TM) will surely get us out!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 07:09 PM
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8. The almighty market shall save us all.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:04 PM
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4. +1 nt
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:45 AM
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5. Cap and trade, my lovelies.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:28 AM
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6. Yep, exactly
To say it is flawed does not even come close to characterizing it. I'm totally against this approach, but would favor a carbon tax of some sort.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:39 AM
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7. Shit like this is exactly why Hansen is against cap and trade.
It puts a monetary value on CO2 as opposed to putting a monetary value on preventing CO2 from existing!
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