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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 04:54 PM Original message |
Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Escalates in Japan – ‘Worse than Chernobyl’ |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yikes! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Mr. Kamps appears to have an agenda. He was unnecessarily alarming. nm |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. No, he wasn't unnecessarily alarming, as is now obvious six days later. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Even if Kevin Kamp is wrong, if it's not "worse than Chernobyl", WHEN are we |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. +10000 |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. +1000000 |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. So am I, madder'n a wet setting hen |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Exactly! |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. I pray this doesn't happen! I was always questioning why CA built their plants when they too have |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. 'Radioactive" in your sig line ...unintended creepy. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Good point - I remember how they tracked the fallout cloud from Chernobyl |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. The Chinese would just sell the damn produce |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. I seem to recall that the contaminated produce here was a result of Three Mile Island |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Speaker on Al Jazeera: did the dome sustain any damage? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Please, please, the dome is the SECONDARY containment. That means it is the SECOND |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I was wrong, according to the link below the "dome" is the third containment |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. There are no domes in the video footage. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Language Barrier. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I don't think so. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. We shall see. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Chernobyl had a "containment system" that didn't use a dome. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The RBMK type reactor at Chernobyl is a 'partial containment' |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yeah... like some people are "partial virgins" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I'll believe that about the containment when I see a schematic |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Fukushima 2,3, and 4 are Mark II Improved containment vessels. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Question... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Graphite moderated vs water as a moderator |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Got it. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yeah, that's not used at this site. These are GE BWR Mark I's. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Actually three different designs and a 4th on the way. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. 4-5-6 were 'cold' offline when this happened. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Hey! I think you got one right! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
63. So you dont think. That says a lot. How do you make that decision? Because you cant see a dome? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. It's not shaped like a dome, and it's inside the building. It's shaped roughly like |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. They used the word "dome" ...while showing square buildings. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. It's bound to be more than a language barrier. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. And I dont imagine we can visualize a dome within a square building. why think the worse. This is |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. I just heard from a talking head on CNN that he was glad this happened, There is NO danger and he |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. the risks of having nuclear power plants... |
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PamW (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
69. Risk analysis is premature |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. lol... wow... |
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PamW (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. What's wrong... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. I do not support nuclear power, but we should be aware that Mr. Kamps works for an organization |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Kevin Kamps information is correct and accurate |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Mr. Kamp didnt give facts. He said as your quote says "depending on the cooling time of the |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. They can also dump in boric acid and cadmium and such to quench the fuel further. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. They just expanded the evacuation zone to 10 lm |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. And if they didn't people would be screaming about the lack of caution. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. It appears that nuclear "expert" Mr. Kamps was wrong. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Of course he was. But it's still important to recognize that this was too close to disaster. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Those "last-lines-of-defense" were not tested here. They didnt even come close to needing them. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. There has clearly been some amount of core damage. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. yes I agree. Thanks for the discussion. nm |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Thanks for that little bit of sanity, ... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I do not support nuclear power for electricity production. I am against trying to scare people |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. You've got the correct read on it. This behavior is unconscionable. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. unconscionable? 300,000 evacuated from 'exclusion' zone, which has expanded to 20 km |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Yes. It's unconscionable |
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PamW (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. What made Chernobyl so bad... |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. The fact that the huge refinery blowing up and spewing tons upon tons of RADIOACTIVE... |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. ty |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Somewhere on the East Coast is a coal plant happily belching more radiation |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. My point, exactly. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. He's a nnon-factual nnuclear proponent. |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Your career in actually debunking him with those things called facts needs some serious work. |
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PamW (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. Well put. |
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OnlinePoker (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. I notice he's absent from any of the Japanese nuke threads. n/t |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. They don't have anymore diesel fuel or batteries in japan? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. The below link provides the best info so far. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. How many reactors do they have in Japan? They just said a 2nd |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. There are 4 at that facility. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Actually six. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Two sites. |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
38. If they cant cool it, it will start to separate the water left in to a combustible gas mixture. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. It will start to separate the water into a combustible gas mixture? |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Well, what now jackass? Mabe ylou can have my post removed because I called you a jackass. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Lol... feel free to call me whatever you like` |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. For the record MG, you were wrong. |
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Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. The following was posted on reddit.com by a nuclear engineer |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Some assumptions in there that I don't think apply to this reactor. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
81. kick. nt |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
82. French nuclear officials say it could be worse than Chernobyl |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
83. Physicist Michio Kaku warns that Japan nukes may go 'beyond Chernobyl' |
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