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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:46 PM
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Does Moore's law apply to solar cells? SA Guest Blog
I just found this to be a very interesting (and encouraging!) read that I wanted to share with you guys!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=smaller-cheaper-faster-does-moores-2011-03-15
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:57 PM
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1. thanks 4 the article - we have solar, no electric bill for almost 2 years now :-) nt
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:15 AM
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2. Nice!
If you don't mind me asking, what sort of set up do you have and what was the cost? My wife and I will be looking at either buying or building a home in the next couple of years and this is something that really interests us.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:34 AM
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3. Great article -- gives me hope.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:47 AM
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4. Chip manufacturers gave up on moore's law 5 years ago. nt
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Casandia Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:32 AM
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5. Thinking about solar for my home
so this was a very timely article for me. Thanks
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:47 AM
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6. Moore's Law refers to chip capacity/strength, not cost.
Regardless, anything <$3/watt is really good news... especially for people in California where the subsidies, grants and tax breaks level the playing field with coal, NG and nuclear installations.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:01 AM
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7. No, I don't think it does
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 10:01 AM by phantom power
There is a reason that Moore's Law works for computation and not for other technologies. Computation (and data storage) is all about patterns. Patterns of logic gates. To make a computation device faster and cheaper, all you need to do is reduce the size of the pattern. I don't want to belittle the talent and hard work of all the engineers who have made Moore's Law happen for electronics over the last 30 years, but in a sense, the problem stacked in their favor. As long as you can come up with ways to make the logic gate patterns smaller, you get all of the famous benefits of increasing speed, reduced cost and reduced power usage.

Energy production is only peripherally affected by patterns. There is no Moore's Law for energy technologies. One of the biggest blunders of the 1990s was the erroneous assumption that Moore's Law was somehow going to apply to energy, commerce, the stock market, etc. The "Wired Fallacy."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=86088&mesg_id=86088
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:51 AM
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9. Not to mention the feedback
Smaller chips -> more powerful computers -> more powerful chip design tools
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:21 AM
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8. Interesting that in the charts the price per watt jump UP during the Bush years.
Then plummets as soon as Obama takes over.
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