Graphite + water = the future of energy storage

[kristopher]

Graphite + water = the future of energy storage

(Nanowerk News) A combination of two ordinary materials – graphite and water – could produce energy storage systems that perform on par with lithium ion batteries, but recharge in a matter of seconds and have an almost indefinite lifespan.
Dr Dan Li, of the Monash University Department of Materials Engineering, and his research team have been working with a material called graphene, which could form the basis of the next generation of ultrafast energy storage systems.
"Once we can properly manipulate this material, your iPhone, for example, could charge in a few seconds, or possibly faster." said Dr Li.
Graphene is the result of breaking down graphite, a cheap, readily available material commonly used in pencils, into layers one atom thick. In this form, it has remarkable properties...

http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=22128.php

[FBaggins]

1. An "almost indefinite" lifespan?

I think the authors needs to work on their vocabulary skills. :)

But it sure would be fantastic if this technology panned out... particularly if it could be scaled up significantly. It would have a massive impact on the economy and environment if they got to vehicle-sized batteries... and then another quantum leap impact if grid-scale applications were possible.

[postulater]

2. Very interesting technology.

[phantom power]

3. graphene == nanotubes w/ (radius == oo)

:woohoo:

[immoderate]

4. Monash is in Australia

Remarkable how much science is done at laboratories outside the US. Even discoveries by American scientists seem to be done in foreign labs.

--imm

[Nederland]

5. It's good to see you've finally admitted that storage is needed...

...if renewables are to succeed.

[kristopher]

7. It is difficult to "admit" something you've never denied.

The false beliefs I routinely need to correct are that
1) vast amounts of storage - comparable to installed renewable capacity - are required; and
2) that storage dedicated to individual sources of generation is a desirable or economic part of integrating renewables into the grid.

It is unfortunate that you continue your pattern of deliberately misrepresenting information relevant to the discussion.

[Nederland]

8. Response

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=303052#303283

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=287654#287738

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=292718#292770

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=287089#287141

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=292964#293019

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=258107#258143

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=247379#247628

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=247560#247666

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[kristopher]

10. So you "admit" your characterization was wrong...

Good.

[Nederland]

11. Sorry

I was hoping that we were making progress. It's sad to see you are still deluded about the need for massive amounts of storage to make renewables work.

[kristopher]

12. Why do we need "massive amounts of storage to make renewables work"?

[FBaggins]

14. We don't

Unless you want reliable electricity supplies of course.

[Nederland]

16. Because the supply looks like this:

[madokie]

13. Is Kris saying we need storage in any of those links

the two I read he didn't mention it or I somehow missed it

[Nederland]

17. No, he doesn't say that

...which is is exactly my point.

[FBaggins]

15. Strange... you're claiming that you "correct" claims that I've never seen made.

Can you link to claims that storage needs would be comparable to the installed renewable capacity or that storage must be tied to the individual generation sources?

It is unfortunate that you continue your pattern of deliberately misrepresenting information relevant to the discussion.

[kestrel91316]

6. But, but, I heard right here on DU on several occasions that "energy can't be stored!!!"

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Nor created or destroyed. n/t