I've seen the flood maps which predict the potential future coastlines of the world, but

[GreenPartyVoter]

does anyone have maps which predict where the future temperate zones will be, and where rain will fall and food can be grown? Is it even possible to predict such things in correlation to rise in temperature and sea levels, or are there too many other variables to be able to know? http://flood.firetree.net/

I'm pretty sure our military, among others, have done reports on future security issues along these lines. (I think. Not totally sure. Old brain.)

Thanks!

[Speck Tater]

1. Planning where you want to be in 100 years when it comes to pass?

Even the most pessimistic greenhouse warming predictions are generational in time scale. Don't worry about where YOU can grow food. Worry about where you grandchildren can grown food.

If you can grow food where you are now move 100 miles further north and you will be able to grow food for the next 50 years at least.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Worried about my kids and future grandkids, yeah. :^) We can grow food here, but we live by the

Atlantic Ocean, and I am assuming it won't be a homestead for generations down the road.

[bananas]

12. Is this what you're looking for?

It's a short animation showing temperature change under different emission scenarios.

http://www.climatechoices.org/ne/impacts_ne/climates_maine.html

(animation)

Summer in Maine could feel like the typical summer in Maryland by the end of the century unless we take action to reduce heat-trapping emissions today.

Lower-Emissions Scenarios: a shift away from fossil fuels in favor of clean energy technologies, causing heat-trapping emissions to decline by mid-century

Higher-Emissions Scenarios: continued heavy reliance on fossils fuels, causing heat-trapping emissions to rise rapidly over the century

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Thanks! That's really cool. :^)

[Tikki]

2. CA climate: inland warmer; coast cooler and wetter...

This article from the SFGate:

http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-07-06/news/29742067_1_global-warming-climate-statistics-national-climatic-data-center

Tikki

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Thanks! I saw on the flood maps that one day CA could have a really large

bay where the valleys are now. (But that would take a lot of sea level rise.)

[proud patriot]

3. Found these, key words :Future Maps Temperature

http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/maps/the_future_of_freezing

http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/simulated-future-temperature-trends

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8394886.stm

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Thanks! I may have seen one of them, or something similar a few years back in a post here

about where the Bushes were buying land in South America, and why it was thought to be related to future climate change.

[HereSince1628]

4. They been published in various of the IPCC reports.

They all sort of look like this:



Here's a link that deals with some future precip projections.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/futurepsc.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Thank you. I haven't looked the reports over at all, so no wonder I am out of the loop!

[Rabblevox]

6. They can't even accurately predict the weather 5 days out...

It's all educated guesswork at this point. We KNOW temps and sea levels are rising, and will continue to rise, but predicting exactly how and when is a crapshoot. Climate systems just have WAY too many variables to accurately predict at this point.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Yeah, I imagine that is most likely the case. But it is interesting to

look over these projections in the same way that it's fun to plug a picture of you and someone else into some software to see what your future baby will look like. LOL

[pscot]

18. And all the variables

seem to be trending in one direction.

[bananas]

11. UCS has some regional information

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/regional-effects-of-global.html

Regional Effects of Global Warming

Climate change is real and already under way. Although this is a global phenomenon, it will have very specific consequences for the different regions, states, cities, and neighborhoods where we live.

To help raise awareness about the local effects of global warming and the costs of inaction, below are a series of regional analyses that explain:
How temperature, precipitation, and other regional climate variables could change
What these changes would mean for local communities, economies, resources, and ecosystems

Analyses for these regions help lay the groundwork for positive solutions that can reduce our heat-trapping emissions and slow global warming.


Confronting Climate Change in the U.S. Northeast (2007) http://www.climatechoices.org/ne/index.html
Climate Change in the U.S. Northeast (2006) http://www.climatechoices.org/ne/index.html
Confronting Climate Change in the Great Lakes Region (2003) http://www.ucsusa.org/greatlakes/
Our Changing Climate: Assessing Changes to California (2004) http://www.climatechoices.org/ca/index.html
Confronting Climate Change in the Gulf Coast Region (2001) http://www.ucsusa.org/gulf/

IIRC you'll find maps etc at those links above.
Along the side of that page are links to additional regional information:

Regional Information

CA and Western States http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/ca-and-western-states.html
Midwestern States http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/midwestern-states.html
Northeastern States http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/northeastern-states.html
Southeastern States http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/southeastern-states.html
Southwestern States http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/southwestern-states.html
International http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/regional_information/international.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Thanks for taking the time to share so much info. :^)

[mopinko]

13. i have no idea why we are not

building sustainable communities in areas likely to receive a large number of climate refugees. no doubt the pentagon is planning bases in the same way. and no doubt they have all the info that THEY need to do that.

solar power, soil retention, wells, roads, all that stuff could be done now, and people encouraged/incented to move their now.
hell, we probably have the technology to start moving good topsoil.

good question

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Thank you. You are right. It would be good to start planning for these things.

[mopinko]

17. what't the worst thing that could happen?

stable, sustainable, well planned communities? oh, wait...

[DCKit]

19. I've been wondering the same thing for years.

I just don't think that anyone knows or can predict. We barely have computers powerful enough to predict regular weather, so that kind of prediction is just too far out there.

I'm thinking we all need to save/conserve/recycle our water, and just get used to living that way. When the shit hits the fan, those of us who are prepared will be able to get by... barely.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. Yeah, I guess that's all we can really do. It would be nice if our government was

looking ahead on this and providing guidance, but there's too many in the halls of Congress who refuse to believe there even is such a thing as climate change. And as always, in DC it's "business über alles", so that's another strike against getting help from there.

[The Croquist]

21. Don't sweat it too much GreenPartyVoter

At the current rate, sea level will rise about 10 inches by the year 2100.

The headlines about sea level rising much faster then that are just headlines.

The articles are full of phrases such as:

"As much as"
"Up to"
"If"

The IPCC estimates sea level rise will be between 7-23 inches by 2100. What we are actually seeing is near the bottom end of their projections.

Since about 20,000 years ago, sea level has AVERAGED a rise of about 24 inches per century. The last I checked 24 inches is more then 10 inches.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. Thanks. That's good to know. :^)

[truebrit71]

23. Whew!! So we shouldn't worry then?

Or change what we are doing..I mean so what if the Ice Cap melts, or Greenland becomes ice-free...that won't happen until 2100 so LET'S PARTAAAYYYY!!!!


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